Re: WIP: generalized index constraints

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Brendan Jurd
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Re: WIP: generalized index constraints
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WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@googlemail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Heikki Linnakangas <heikki.linnakangas@enterprisedb.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints tomas@tuxteam.de
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints tomas@tuxteam.de
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Joshua Tolley <eggyknap@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Joshua Tolley <eggyknap@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints tomas@tuxteam.de
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine@hi-media.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@googlemail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints Nathan Boley <npboley@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: operator exclusion constraints [was: generalized index constraints] Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: WIP: generalized index constraints Teodor Sigaev <teodor@sigaev.ru>
2009/8/21 Jeff Davis :
> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 12:23 +1000, Brendan Jurd wrote:
>> The current behaviour seems to be predicated on the unique constraint
>> being an integral part of the index itself.  While this might be true
>> from a system catalog point of view (pg_index.indisunique), if a user
>> says that they want to copy a table's structure INCLUDING INDEXES
>> EXCLUDING CONSTRAINTS then IMO they've made their intention perfectly
>> clear.  They'd expect it to create an index sans the unique
>> constraint.  Ignoring the user's intention and copying the index as-is
>> (including the unique constraint) would be unfriendly.
>
> I don't have strong feelings either way. I think that's probably a
> separate patch, and a fairly small patch.
>

Yeah, as I was writing the above I was thinking that it might end up a
separate patch.  However I was also concerned that it might be less
disruptive if we implement your patch with the less-astonishing
behaviour and fix the unique index case in passing, than to commit
your patch with the bad behavior and then fix both.

Up to you.

> Using the principle of least surprise, if a user specified one of
> INDEXES or CONSTRAINTS, but not both, and there is a unique index, we
> should raise an ERROR (or at least a WARNING).

Actually for what it's worth I would expect INCLUDING INDEXES (with no
mention of what to do about constraints) to go ahead and include
constraints on indexes.  I only have strong feelings where the user
has gone to the trouble of explicitly stating that they want indexes
but *not* constraints and we include the constraints anyway.

I would be fine with a NOTICE in the former case, so something like
this would be cool

# CREATE TABLE foo (LIKE bar INCLUDING INDEXES);
NOTICE: INCLUDING INDEXES will also include any constraints on those indexes.
HINT: Specify EXCLUDING CONSTRAINTS to omit them.

To my mind the severity is similar to such notices as "NOTICE: CREATE
TABLE / UNIQUE will create implicit index ...".

i.e., "this is probably what you wanted us to do, but just in case you
weren't expecting this side-effect, we're letting you know about it".

>
> There is not much of a problem with backwards compatibility. LIKE is
> shorthand (not stored in catalogs), so it doesn't affect
> pg_dump/restore. And hopefully there aren't a lot of apps out there
> creating tables dynamically using the LIKE syntax.
>

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if people are using LIKE to produce
tables for partitioning arrangements.

Cheers,
BJ

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