Обсуждение: PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call for Contributions
PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit ============================= Call for Contributions ---------------------- The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers, contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new contacts, and plan for the future. The summit will feature speaker sessions, workshops, discussion groups, and social events. We are now looking for content proposals. Topics can include: - Development, how to and how not to - Features for the future (or of the past) - PostgreSQL-related research projects - Issues relating to the project's organization - PostgreSQL-related projects - Legal issues - Non-profit organizations - Advocacy, marketing - How to make PostgreSQL more appealing to $X - Business aspects - Other interesting event proposals such as discussions, contests, awards, question sessions, etc. will also be consideredif you are prepared to organize them. There is considerable freedom in developing the program. Anything that is important to you, of interest to others, and of value to the project can be reasonable. But remember that this is a conference of PostgreSQL contributors, so user-level talks should normally not be submitted. Submissions and the actual sessions should be in English. Contributions should generally use time slots of 45 minutes, but feel free to specify otherwise if you have special requirements. We are also welcoming "lightning talks" of about 5 minutes. Send submissions to conference-submissions@lists.pgfoundry.org in free form, but include the following information: - your name - your e-mail address - title of your contribution - type of your contribution (talk, discussion, etc.) - abstract of up to 100 words (for publishing in the program) - extended description (for review by the organizers, not published) The deadline for submissions is March 31st. Speakers and other supporters of the conference program (exception: lightning talks) will be offered free registration. They will also be first in line to receive financial assistance, but we cannot guarantee any such thing at the moment, so be prepared to pay for your travel and accomodation. -- Peter Eisentraut on behalf of the conference team
Peter,
I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ?
Oleg
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit
> =============================
>
> Call for Contributions
> ----------------------
>
> The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in
> Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers,
> contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the
> project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new
> contacts, and plan for the future. The summit will feature speaker sessions,
> workshops, discussion groups, and social events. We are now looking for
> content proposals. Topics can include:
>
> - Development, how to and how not to
>
> - Features for the future (or of the past)
>
> - PostgreSQL-related research projects
>
> - Issues relating to the project's organization
>
> - PostgreSQL-related projects
>
> - Legal issues
>
> - Non-profit organizations
>
> - Advocacy, marketing
>
> - How to make PostgreSQL more appealing to $X
>
> - Business aspects
>
> - Other interesting event proposals such as discussions, contests, awards,
> question sessions, etc. will also be considered if you are prepared to
> organize them.
>
> There is considerable freedom in developing the program. Anything that is
> important to you, of interest to others, and of value to the project can be
> reasonable. But remember that this is a conference of PostgreSQL
> contributors, so user-level talks should normally not be submitted.
>
> Submissions and the actual sessions should be in English. Contributions
> should generally use time slots of 45 minutes, but feel free to specify
> otherwise if you have special requirements. We are also welcoming "lightning
> talks" of about 5 minutes.
>
> Send submissions to conference-submissions@lists.pgfoundry.org in free form,
> but include the following information:
>
> - your name
> - your e-mail address
> - title of your contribution
> - type of your contribution (talk, discussion, etc.)
> - abstract of up to 100 words (for publishing in the program)
> - extended description (for review by the organizers, not published)
>
> The deadline for submissions is March 31st.
>
> Speakers and other supporters of the conference program (exception: lightning
> talks) will be offered free registration. They will also be first in line to
> receive financial assistance, but we cannot guarantee any such thing at the
> moment, so be prepared to pay for your travel and accomodation.
>
>
Regards, Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
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phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83
oleg@sai.msu.su (Oleg Bartunov) writes: > I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ? "Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable population of relevant people here such that invitations can be arranged. In view of the fact that it can take a fair bit of time to arrange visas, this is something we should watch for pretty early... Now is not too early to be arranging for passports and visas... -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "acm.org") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/internet.html "Bonus! The lack of multitasking is one of the most important reasons why DOS destroyed Unix in the marketplace." -- Scott Nudds
Chris Browne wrote: > oleg@sai.msu.su (Oleg Bartunov) writes: > > I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ? > > "Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable > population of relevant people here such that invitations can be > arranged. I suggest that everyone who needs invitations or other documentation, be it for arranging a visa or getting a day off work or whatever, write to conference-plan@pgfoundry.org and we'll work it out. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For instance, is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or company can issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such an invitation? I could imagine some pretty hot water if "pre 9/11" someone were to invite bin Laden to a conference, and had the twin towers go down while he was here, for instance ... On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Chris Browne wrote: >> oleg@sai.msu.su (Oleg Bartunov) writes: >>> I'd need an invitation to get a visa. Is't possible ? >> >> "Certainty" is difficult to promise, but there is a reasonable >> population of relevant people here such that invitations can be >> arranged. > > I suggest that everyone who needs invitations or other documentation, be > it for arranging a visa or getting a day off work or whatever, write to > conference-plan@pgfoundry.org and we'll work it out. > > -- > Peter Eisentraut > http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/ > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Ühel kenal päeval, N, 2006-03-02 kell 15:35, kirjutas Marc G. Fournier: > Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For instance, > is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or company can > issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such an invitation? Sure. The one who dares to invite anybody is called to an aeroport and strip-searched as well, legal or not. --------------- Hannu
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:51 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in > Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers, > contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the > project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new > contacts, and plan for the future. One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint" for the days immediately following the conference. This would be an opportunity for people interested in contributing to PostgreSQL to work together in the same (large) room. I'm hoping that some of the major contributors will be there, but anyone who's at the summit is welcome to join us. We'll have a bunch of planned projects to work on, but I'd encourage everyone to bring their own project ideas as well. You'll need your own laptop, or have someone you can pair program with. Before we go any farther organizing the sprint, I'd like to get an idea how much interest there is. If you're likely to attend the summit and would be interested in staying for the code sprint, please let me know. You should include you how many days you'd be interested in sprinting for (I'd like to do at least one day, and perhaps two). Thanks, Neil
Yea, sure I would like to attend. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Conway wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:51 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > The PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit will take place on July 8 and 9, 2006, in > > Toronto, Canada. We are planning for a gathering of about 50 hackers, > > contributors, and other friends of the PostgreSQL project to celebrate the > > project's 10th anniversary, reflect on the work accomplished, establish new > > contacts, and plan for the future. > > One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint" > for the days immediately following the conference. This would be an > opportunity for people interested in contributing to PostgreSQL to work > together in the same (large) room. I'm hoping that some of the major > contributors will be there, but anyone who's at the summit is welcome to > join us. We'll have a bunch of planned projects to work on, but I'd > encourage everyone to bring their own project ideas as well. You'll need > your own laptop, or have someone you can pair program with. > > Before we go any farther organizing the sprint, I'd like to get an idea > how much interest there is. If you're likely to attend the summit and > would be interested in staying for the code sprint, please let me know. > You should include you how many days you'd be interested in sprinting > for (I'd like to do at least one day, and perhaps two). > > Thanks, > > Neil > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us SRA OSS, Inc. http://www.sraoss.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
FOlks, > One thing I'd like to add: we're considering organizing a "code sprint" > for the days immediately following the conference. To add further. There will probably be a "code sprint" AT the conference as well. Then Monday and Tuesday for an "extended code sprint". We're still discussing it. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
The world rejoiced as scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote:
> Just curious, but what is involved in these "invitations"? For
> instance, is there a limit on # of invitations any one person(?) or
> company can issue? Are there any legal implications of issuing such
> an invitation? I could imagine some pretty hot water if "pre 9/11"
> someone were to invite bin Laden to a conference, and had the twin
> towers go down while he was here, for instance ...
Here should be the authoritative information:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html Countries/Territories Requiring Visas
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a Temporary
ResidentVisa to Enter Canada
If an .se address implies Swedish citizenship, there's good news;
Swedes don't need a visa to come to Canada. Ditto for pretty well all
of Western Europe, all of North America (including Mexico), and Japan.
I expect that most of those likely to need visas (and letters) will
hearken from Eastern Europe or Asia.
It's worth noting that whomever is providing that letter of invitation
has to be prepared to send, to our foreign friends, a photocopy of our
own Canadian birth certificate or some equivalent thereof.
Not to say that this is *spectacularly* intimate information, but I
daresay people would Not Be Pleased if such material got misused.
There is some fairness there; the requirements are nicely laid out,
and the "intimacies" go in both directions.
The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to
indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I
expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's
some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"...
What this all implies is that these Letters of Invitation do indeed
impose a certain degree of legal burden (whether highly formalized or
not) such that I'm sure NOT going to be heading to the printers so I
can send them out by the gross...
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Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes: > Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a > Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated? -- greg
gsstark@mit.edu (Greg Stark) writes: > Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes: > >> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a >> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada > > I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is > the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top > contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it > welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated? It's not intended to be punitively high priced, so as to keep it exclusive, but the more expensive you find it to travel to Toronto, the more you'll find it costs, naturally... I'll probably grouse about parking costs a bit, at some point, but I won't have a thousand dollar plane ticket to pay for, to be sure... ;-) I think there is some desire to have some amount of funding provided for travel/accomodations based on what can be raised thru SPI; that's certainly still a matter in flux. The answers aren't clear yet... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="cbbrowne.com" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/ Rules of the Evil Overlord #31. "All naive, busty tavern wenches in my realm will be replaced with surly, world-weary waitresses who will provide no unexpected reinforcement and/or romantic subplot for the hero or his sidekick." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
btw,
how expensive is to go to the Niagara waterfall from Toronto ?
I'd like to take an opportunity to see it.
Oleg
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Chris Browne wrote:
> gsstark@mit.edu (Greg Stark) writes:
>> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
>>
>>> Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a
>>> Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada
>>
>> I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is
>> the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top
>> contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it
>> welcome? What kind of costs are anticipated?
>
> It's not intended to be punitively high priced, so as to keep it
> exclusive, but the more expensive you find it to travel to Toronto,
> the more you'll find it costs, naturally... I'll probably grouse
> about parking costs a bit, at some point, but I won't have a thousand
> dollar plane ticket to pay for, to be sure... ;-)
>
> I think there is some desire to have some amount of funding provided
> for travel/accomodations based on what can be raised thru SPI; that's
> certainly still a matter in flux. The answers aren't clear yet...
>
Regards, Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:07:06 +0300 (MSK) Oleg Bartunov <oleg@sai.msu.su> wrote: > how expensive is to go to the Niagara waterfall from Toronto ? > I'd like to take an opportunity to see it. If you are driving, Niagara Falls is about one hour from Toronto. Cost is a tank of gas and parking. Looking at the fallsis free. There are special tours like the Maid of the Mist (a boat that goes to the base of the falls) and a tour throughthe tunnels behind the falls which have some cost. Not a particularly expensive side trip. Those of us who live here should think about some entertainment possibilities. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
Christopher Browne wrote: > Here should be the authoritative information: > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.html > Countries/Territories Requiring Visas > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html > Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a > Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is crystal clear that I have to do it this time however. Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from the Holy See. > The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to > indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I > expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's > some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"... Rats :-( -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
> Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do > last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is > crystal clear that I have to do it this time however. I think you're overreacting guys... I would first try and go to the nearest Canadian embassy and try to get the visa. I bet in most of the cases they will just issue it without any invitation letter and the like... if not, only then worry about it ;-) I'm also citizen from one of the countries (Romania) which require visas to most of the world (or it required, the situation's relaxing in this respect), and I never had any problems getting one. Or maybe it changed after 9/11 ? Cheers, Csaba.
Csaba Nagy wrote: > > Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do > > last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is > > crystal clear that I have to do it this time however. > > I think you're overreacting guys... I would first try and go to the > nearest Canadian embassy and try to get the visa. I bet in most of the > cases they will just issue it without any invitation letter and the > like... if not, only then worry about it ;-) Yeah, you may be right, sorry. The .gc.ca page says "updated 2004-02-17" so it must be the same page that was in place when I solicited the visa last year. However, the invitation letter was very simple, didn't include any of the confidential information, and actually it wasn't issued by a Canadian person at all! It was signed by the EnterpriseDB guys. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Peter, I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable. Where would such a talk fit in the program? - Luke On 3/1/06 2:51 AM, "Peter Eisentraut" <petere@postgresql.org> wrote: > PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit > ============================= > > Call for Contributions > ----------------------
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes: > Christopher Browne wrote: > > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/letter.html > > Letter of Invitation for Countries Whose Citizens Require a > > Temporary Resident Visa to Enter Canada > > Wow, this is a great deal of burden that for sure I didn't have to do > last time :-( Not sure why, maybe the laws changed or something. It is > crystal clear that I have to do it this time however. Are you sure that "Temporary Resident Visa" is what you need? Isn't the regular visa people get called just a "Guest Visa"? -- greg
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:50:51AM -0800, Luke Lonergan wrote: > Peter, > > I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal > that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the > on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the > business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable. > > Where would such a talk fit in the program? On a related note, I'm wondering if there's any non-technical business-oriented things folks would be interested in hearing about, perhaps stuff relating to corporate support and use of PostgreSQL. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
I'm interested in such a discussion, at least informally. I'd probably even sit politely and listen to a presentation ;-) Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 07:50:51AM -0800, Luke Lonergan wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk proposal >> that will discuss performance of Postgres, including enhancements like the >> on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. We'd also like to discuss the >> business intelligence use-cases and where parallelism is applicable. >> >> Where would such a talk fit in the program? > > On a related note, I'm wondering if there's any non-technical > business-oriented things folks would be interested in hearing about, > perhaps stuff relating to corporate support and use of PostgreSQL.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, gsstark@mit.edu (Greg Stark) wrote:
> Are you sure that "Temporary Resident Visa" is what you need?
> Isn't the regular visa people get called just a "Guest Visa"?
That's possible too... It is probably a good idea to contact a local
Canadian embassy to see what they think will be required. This may be
"tilting over windmills" a bit.
Checking early is still a good idea, after all, if you haven't got a
passport, it may take some time to get that.
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Greg Stark wrote: > I missed that this was happening up here in Canada. How exclusive is > the guest list for this? Like, are you only expecting 50 top > contributors by invitation only or is anyone who can make it welcome? Everyone is hereby invited. > What kind of costs are anticipated? We don't know that yet. We're going to tell as soon as we have a reliable calculation. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Luke Lonergan wrote: > I'm asking our performance lead, Ayush Parashar, to develop a talk > proposal that will discuss performance of Postgres, including > enhancements like the on-disk bitmap index, sort improvements, etc. > We'd also like to discuss the business intelligence use-cases and > where parallelism is applicable. That sounds reasonable. Please feel free to use the published submissions address to discuss your proposal if you're not sure about it. But I must point out that everyone who copies replies to this thread to the announce mailing list will be required to attend a mandatory mailing list conduct seminar on Friday July 7, 20:00. :-) -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Greg, > > What kind of costs are anticipated? > > We don't know that yet. We're going to tell as soon as we have a > reliable calculation. However, it's looking like registration will be around $175-$200 USD per developer. Sponsorships may bring that down, but I'm not counting on it. Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on where you want to stay. Airfare is your own lookout; again, we're looking to get help for airfare for important speakers coming from very far away, but I don't have money in the bank yet. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on
> where you want to stay.
Sometime you ought to clue us in on where the event is being held.
regards, tom lane
Am Dienstag, 7. März 2006 08:50 schrieb Tom Lane: > Sometime you ought to clue us in on where the event is being held. It's at Ryerson University in downtown Toronto. There will be a web site with further information Real Soon Now. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of > Peter Eisentraut > Sent: 07 March 2006 08:55 > To: Tom Lane > Cc: Josh Berkus; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Greg Stark > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL Anniversary Summit, Call > for Contributions > > Am Dienstag, 7. März 2006 08:50 schrieb Tom Lane: > > Sometime you ought to clue us in on where the event is being held. > > It's at Ryerson University in downtown Toronto. There will > be a web site with > further information Real Soon Now. Do you have someone with some local knowledge who can recommend some nearby hotels? Regards, Dave.
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes: > However, it's looking like registration will be around $175-$200 USD per > developer. Sponsorships may bring that down, but I'm not counting on it. I suppose that's about as cheap as one can expect for this kind of thing. > Accomodations will range between $50/night to $110 per night depending on > where you want to stay. Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing this thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you? (I have a personal reason for hoping it's downtown -- I have basically free accomodations downtown:) -- greg
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 11:04 -0500, Greg Stark wrote: > > > Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing > this > thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you? The Bay Street Hotel has rooms for about $60/night and is located within a 7 minute walk of Ryerson. http://toronto.hotelguide.net/data/h100246.htm But yes, a larger brandname hotel will be closer to the $200/night mark and the luxury suites top out at about $5000/night. In short, there is a fairly wide range of accommodations. --
People: > > Uh oh, $50 sounds light for downtown; you aren't thinking of doing > > this > > thing somewhere out in Toronto's nigh infinite suburbs are you? Since Ryerson is a university, they will rent us some dorm rooms for a cost below that of nearby hotels for the budget-conscious. BTW, the web site is up, it's just not fully populated yet: conference.postgresql.org -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 08:56:23AM -0000, Dave Page wrote: > Do you have someone with some local knowledge who can recommend > some nearby hotels? Yes. If you go to <http://conference.postgresql.org/Location/>, I've put up some information about this. I'll be expanding those pages as things move along. BTW, now that we seem to be really underway, I'll also likely be contacting known-to-be-local people and hitting them up for specific things we might need. The organisers group was (at my insistence, so you all can blame me) kept small initially because the timeline for this was, I thought, extremely compressed (so I thought we had to nail down some things before we started getting too many people involved). If you are local to the Toronto area, are willing to help with the many on-the-ground things that are likely needed to be done, and will be available to do so, I eagerly solicit your help. Please contact me off list in that case. A -- Andrew Sullivan | ajs@crankycanuck.ca The plural of anecdote is not data. --Roger Brinner
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:13:54 -0500 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca> wrote: > BTW, now that we seem to be really underway, I'll also likely be > contacting known-to-be-local people and hitting them up for specific > things we might need. The organisers group was (at my insistence, so > you all can blame me) kept small initially because the timeline for > this was, I thought, extremely compressed (so I thought we had to > nail down some things before we started getting too many people > involved). If you are local to the Toronto area, are willing to help > with the many on-the-ground things that are likely needed to be done, > and will be available to do so, I eagerly solicit your help. Please > contact me off list in that case. What type of things will you be needing? I can probably spare some time. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:18:43 -0500 "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@druid.net> wrote: > What type of things will you be needing? I can probably spare some time. Doh! Sorry about that. I did reply instead of reply all thinking it would only go to Andrew. I didn't meant to send tothe list. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
Alvaro, > Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who > wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from > the Holy See. > > > The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to > > indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I > > expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's > > some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"... > > Rats :-( This isn't going to be a problem for you. We'll put your stuff in the works; Andrew or Neil will have to invite you. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian, do they? On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: > Alvaro, > >> Thanks for the pointers. I'm looking forward to finding somebody who >> wants to "sponsor" me on this issue ... or maybe get me a passport from >> the Holy See. >> >>> The other "pointy bit" is that the letter of invitation needs to >>> indicate the inviter's relationship to the person being invited. I >>> expect that would need to be a tad more specific than merely "he's >>> some guy from Sweden that I heard about on the Internet"... >> >> Rats :-( > > This isn't going to be a problem for you. We'll put your stuff in the > works; Andrew or Neil will have to invite you. > > -- > --Josh > > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Quoth scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
> do they?
Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.
Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
thing.
Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
"tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
(if not diplomatic status :-) !).
In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
likely you're an undeclared spy...
It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
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It's still not easy to come from Russia to Canada. I have to convince
officer in canadian embassy that
1) I have enough money for living in Canada
2) I don't want to immigrate
3) I'm a loyal citizen
Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official letter
from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3)
I should get references for all members of my family from our police
department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database, so I
should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and I'm about
to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets.
Oleg
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Christopher Browne wrote:
> Quoth scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
>> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
>> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
>> do they?
>
> Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
> America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
> coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.
>
> Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
> notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
> thing.
>
> Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
> namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
> "tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
> (if not diplomatic status :-) !).
>
> In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
> only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
> strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
> would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
> governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
> likely you're an undeclared spy...
>
> It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
> they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
> extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
>
Regards, Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> It's still not easy to come from Russia to Canada. I have to convince
> officer in canadian embassy that
>
> 1) I have enough money for living in Canada
> 2) I don't want to immigrate
> 3) I'm a loyal citizen
>
> Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official letter
> from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3)
> I should get references for all members of my family from our police
> department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database, so I
> should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and I'm about
> to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets.
Yowch! I know it must have improved somewhat since (doesn't it?),
post-Cold War Russia was well painted in the media as 'corrupt and heavy
crime rate' side of things (news rarely reports the good, since the bad is
what sells) ... and none of *that* helps make, *at least* 2 in the above
any easier ;(
>
> Oleg
>
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Christopher Browne wrote:
>
>> Quoth scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier"):
>>> Just curious, but how do ppl come to Canada as tourists from other
>>> countries? I don't imagine they need to be "invited" by a Canadian,
>>> do they?
>>
>> Well, the "invitation" thing doesn't apply at all to people from North
>> America or Western Europe; it's generally just applicable to those
>> coming from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, and South America.
>>
>> Much of those regions represent "developing countries," where the
>> notion of "middle class" is emerging as opposed to being a mature
>> thing.
>>
>> Absent of "middle class," you generally have the other two ends,
>> namely lower-lower class, who can't conceivably afford to be
>> "tourists," and "upper class," who can certainly arrange invitations
>> (if not diplomatic status :-) !).
>>
>> In my lifetime, the world has quite changed. Thirty years ago, the
>> only way Russians would be coming to Canada would be under pretty
>> strict scrutiny of the apparatus of the former Soviet Union, which
>> would definitely elicit suspicion. Either you'd be of
>> governmental/diplomatic status, an athlete/performer, or, well, quite
>> likely you're an undeclared spy...
>>
>> It's quite an enormous change for relatively ordinary people (well, if
>> they're working on PostgreSQL, they've got to be at least a little
>> extraordinary! ;-)) to be "just visiting" from such places.
>>
>
> Regards,
> Oleg
> _____________________________________________________________
> Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru),
> Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia
> Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
> phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
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Oleg, > Invitation from conference commitee could help me to get an official > letter > from my institute to embassy (1,2). But we still have 3) > I should get references for all members of my family from our police > department that we're not criminals :) There is no united database, > so I should get references from all places I live ! This is awful and > I'm about > to give up, even if I'd be able to afford tickets. Can we take this to an appropriate place to deal with it, rather than the -Hackers list? Like -advocacy? Of course we, the conference organizers will do what we can to help you come over to the conference. I take it that you need that invitation letter sooner rather than later? --Josh ______AGLIO DATABASE SOLUTIONS___________________________ Josh Berkus Complete informationtechnology josh@agliodbs.com and data management solutions (415) 752-2500 for law firms, small businesses fax 752-2387 and non-profit organizations. San Francisco