Обсуждение: mailing lists for US PostgreSQL Association
Hello! May we please have the following lists created: pgsql-us-general (public) pgsql-us-board (private) We'd like them to be linked from the "Regional" sections of the Archives and Mailing lists pages. Thank you!! -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In keeping with the EU Assocation, I created: pgus-generalpgus-board This also keeps the distinction of the official *project* lists as being prefix'd by pgsql-* ... - --On Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:17:57 -0700 Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello! > > May we please have the following lists created: > > pgsql-us-general (public) > pgsql-us-board (private) > > We'd like them to be linked from the "Regional" sections of the > Archives and Mailing lists pages. > > Thank you!! > > -selena > > -- > Selena Deckelmann > United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us > PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx > Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH2e1o4QvfyHIvDvMRAk73AKDeCdffkvWLaEqcaXKLcffDvyw1YgCfUIdn R6rO1Rdi1C/IK2o8FEkx1hw= =8QoE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:13:44 -0300 "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > In keeping with the EU Assocation, I created: > > pgus-general > pgus-board > > This also keeps the distinction of the official *project* lists as > being prefix'd by pgsql-* ... > I am confused. The eu association is pgsql-eu-general (which is why we asked for pgsql-us-general. Or is this wrong? http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-eu-general/ Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2fiwATb/zqfZUUQRAvXbAKCs3k9CtfHBcpLlofadzDS+fOIMIwCcCu+S lhwT8QBsTLUO7e5+h83iLaA= =usHF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, March 13, 2008 21:01:50 -0700 "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:13:44 -0300 > "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> In keeping with the EU Assocation, I created: >> >> pgus-general >> pgus-board >> >> This also keeps the distinction of the official *project* lists as >> being prefix'd by pgsql-* ... >> > > I am confused. The eu association is pgsql-eu-general (which is why we > asked for pgsql-us-general. Or is this wrong? pgeu-board pgsql-eu-general is a regional group, not the association ... if that isn't the case, then that needs to be renamed to pgeu-general also ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH2fqX4QvfyHIvDvMRAjCOAKC3y3TM/JtbQXss4ysdBAbzl91IugCfeaih N7oImoX7uMfifLEI45/0j2U= =T1iR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:09:59 -0300 "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > I am confused. The eu association is pgsql-eu-general (which is why > > we asked for pgsql-us-general. Or is this wrong? > > pgeu-board O.k. so pgus-board makes sense. Cool. > > pgsql-eu-general is a regional group, not the association ... if that > isn't the case, then that needs to be renamed to pgeu-general also ... My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the association. I could be wrong.. Of course if I am, the eu-general list has been way off topic for the last couple of months :P Dave, Magnus, Ads? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2ftgATb/zqfZUUQRAqCeAJ0dql/iEew0TS0fV7+OjOhuukdJyQCgmOtx qyKTtdid4tPdUTpjhc80mF4= =hBu9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 21:13 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the > association No, they are different lists. As Marc stated, pgsql-eu-general is a regional list. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > pgsql-eu-general is a regional group, not the association ... if that > > isn't the case, then that needs to be renamed to pgeu-general also ... > > My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the > association. I could be wrong.. Of course if I am, the eu-general > list has been way off topic for the last couple of months :P Dave, > Magnus, Ads? Yes, pgsql-eu-general is the regional list, as should be pgsql-us-general. pgeu-board was actually a typo when requested. It should have been pgsql-eu-board as the regional board for Europe. So pgsql-us-general and pgsql-us-board seem correct to me. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:40:05 +0000 "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > Yes, pgsql-eu-general is the regional list, as should be > pgsql-us-general. pgeu-board was actually a typo when requested. It > should have been pgsql-eu-board as the regional board for Europe. > > So pgsql-us-general and pgsql-us-board seem correct to me. O.k. that is what I was thinking as well. So marc if you could correct the list names that would be great. Dave do you want eu board fixed too? (Just for consistency sake) Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2nbhATb/zqfZUUQRAglWAKCAEiZFrsV7Xpsjo/WxDSPF/BliDgCgnI3D orHGCak0zp933RvHMmx6Hbk= =bVoE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > O.k. that is what I was thinking as well. So marc if you could correct > the list names that would be great. Dave do you want eu board fixed > too? (Just for consistency sake) *I* do, but we should probably ask the PGEU board seeing as it's their list :-p -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:01:44 +0000 "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake > <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > > O.k. that is what I was thinking as well. So marc if you could > > correct the list names that would be great. Dave do you want eu > > board fixed too? (Just for consistency sake) > > *I* do, but we should probably ask the PGEU board seeing as it's > their list :-p Doh! good point :) Magnus? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2ngfATb/zqfZUUQRAibeAJ4085RhUoIrxej4xZNysYDiMaBAzACeLzf5 Yg+syB5ct9e+ZM/aQXcuIC0= =e3Ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:05:35AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:01:44 +0000 > "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake > > <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > > > > O.k. that is what I was thinking as well. So marc if you could > > > correct the list names that would be great. Dave do you want eu > > > board fixed too? (Just for consistency sake) > > > > *I* do, but we should probably ask the PGEU board seeing as it's > > their list :-p > > Doh! good point :) Magnus? Sure, I can live with changing that. It's only the four of us on it. Just make sure things don't suddenly appear in the archives when it's done. //Magnus
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:22:18 +0100 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > Sure, I can live with changing that. It's only the four of us on it. > > Just make sure things don't suddenly appear in the archives when it's > done. Of course. I will ping alvaro to add it to the blacklist this morning (before creation) Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2nxhATb/zqfZUUQRAsfpAJ96POi/v9k4UISD3oH1GyspSQIE+gCgkfQY N11zWcCr1P4N5kR4bFFfGNo= =WlPj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake escribió: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:22:18 +0100 > Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > > > Sure, I can live with changing that. It's only the four of us on it. > > > > Just make sure things don't suddenly appear in the archives when it's > > done. > > Of course. I will ping alvaro to add it to the blacklist this morning > (before creation) Done. I notice that Marc failed to set pgus-board to private archives, apparently (though it's empty) ... I blacklisted that one, too. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:04:10 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake escribió: > > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:22:18 +0100 > > Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > > > > > Sure, I can live with changing that. It's only the four of us on > > > it. > > > > > > Just make sure things don't suddenly appear in the archives when > > > it's done. > > > > Of course. I will ping alvaro to add it to the blacklist this > > morning (before creation) > > Done. > > I notice that Marc failed to set pgus-board to private archives, > apparently (though it's empty) ... I blacklisted that one, too. That will be switching to pgsql-us-board, so if you could blacklist that too. Joshau D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2qReATb/zqfZUUQRAqLHAJ4sHjkYbK5vh5j76RMFf9JpidbcvACfT3gF vEcfiYbvHNJ5F4AvdQxbFOM= =hLUM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Selena Deckelmann wrote: > May we please have the following lists created: > > pgsql-us-general (public) > pgsql-us-board (private) Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this?
Selena Deckelmann wrote: > pgsql-us-general (public) Maybe I ask why you need a "general" U.S. list? What is supposed to be discussed on there?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Selena Deckelmann wrote: > > May we please have the following lists created: > > > > pgsql-us-general (public) > > pgsql-us-board (private) > > Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this? We're joining the pgsql-eu group in this same mailing list space. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the > association. Note that these are actually *three* different entities.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Selena Deckelmann wrote: > > pgsql-us-general (public) > > Maybe I ask why you need a "general" U.S. list? What is supposed to be > discussed on there? We will use this for the same things that pgsql-eu does: * Discussion of board meetings, strategy and logistics of USPA * General non-technical communication related to USPA's activities * Status reports and updates on events and progress on goals -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the > > association. > > Note that these are actually *three* different entities. No they aren't. pgsql-eu-general was setup following the first real planning meeting for the PG EU association in Prato, per an agreed action item. postgresql.eu was donated to the group for use by the association at the same meeting by Hans form Cybertec. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
You wrote: > > Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this? > > We're joining the pgsql-eu group in this same mailing list space. Well, first of all, the pgsql-eu-general list is, as just discussed, not actually related to any "group". And secondly, the European group is just two weeks old, and we are going to have more groups popping up now, it's the right time to think about the issue in general.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:52:27 +0100 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > You wrote: > > > Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this? > > > > We're joining the pgsql-eu group in this same mailing list space. > > Well, first of all, the pgsql-eu-general list is, as just discussed, > not actually related to any "group". Not according to Dave or Magnus. > And secondly, the European > group is just two weeks old, and we are going to have more groups > popping up now, it's the right time to think about the issue in > general. > Certainly. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2titATb/zqfZUUQRAlX/AKChqmkusUpodMfpuP3GTg/If5FTUACgm+PL ixNDy8WEKwBU8GWBieKK4Mk= =K4q/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > You wrote: > > > Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this? > > > > We're joining the pgsql-eu group in this same mailing list space. > > Well, first of all, the pgsql-eu-general list is, as just discussed, not > actually related to any "group". That's not what I read from Dave Page, or from participating in the pgsql-eu-general list. > And secondly, the European group is just > two weeks old, and we are going to have more groups popping up now, it's the > right time to think about the issue in general. Yeah, we're going to start having namespace collisions :) We already discussed the classification, and I thought everyone came to a consensus in that thread about Regional/User Group/User/Developer. See Alvaro and Marc's work on updating Majordomo categories. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > > Selena Deckelmann wrote: > > > pgsql-us-general (public) > > > > Maybe I ask why you need a "general" U.S. list? What is supposed to be > > discussed on there? > > We will use this for the same things that pgsql-eu does: > > * Discussion of board meetings, strategy and logistics of USPA > * General non-technical communication related to USPA's activities > * Status reports and updates on events and progress on goals Well, that is not "general". Name it pgsql-us-usergroup or something then. The pgsql-eu-general list isn't general either. It's a mistake. Let's be more precise and accurate in the future.
Dave Page wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > My understanding is that pgsql-eu-general == postgresql.eu == the > > > association. > > > > Note that these are actually *three* different entities. > > No they aren't. pgsql-eu-general was setup following the first real > planning meeting for the PG EU association in Prato, per an agreed > action item. postgresql.eu was donated to the group for use by the > association at the same meeting by Hans form Cybertec. Then perhaps this should be clarified. For instance, postgresql.eu shows a web page that has nothing to do with a user group. And there is no description of the pgsql-eu-general mailing list that describes that it has anything to do with the incorporated European user group. Its description on the archives page, "European PostgreSQL community" would certainly appear to imply a much wider set of people and interests. Also, if you name a list -general, then it is general, not specific. Hah! :)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:03:35 +0100 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > > Well, that is not "general". Name it pgsql-us-usergroup or something > then. The pgsql-eu-general list isn't general either. It's a > mistake. Let's be more precise and accurate in the future. Peter if this was a concern for you, I wish you would have brought it up sooner... We have: pgsql-fr-generale pgsql-ru-general pgsql-tr-genel pgsql-eu-general pgsql-it-generale and now we are requesting pgsql-us-general. So either they are all mistakes, or? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2um5ATb/zqfZUUQRAqemAJ0XFWkm38bgjDZLnXopYwLnRd88+ACfczD5 aweBVjX+tfoWlg0AczB75s8= =5/eO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:07:41 +0100 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Then perhaps this should be clarified. For instance, postgresql.eu > shows a web page that has nothing to do with a user group. Currently yes. They are in the process of transferring the domain. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2un6ATb/zqfZUUQRAq/FAJ0Z0JMbHdkun63aKFzRCXFUF2D6KACfftMh 7pmj2jA0KDEhU8OEHurm93o= =YYtw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > > You wrote: > > > > Why are you not using your own domain postgresql.us for this? > > > > > > We're joining the pgsql-eu group in this same mailing list space. > > > > Well, first of all, the pgsql-eu-general list is, as just discussed, not > > actually related to any "group". > > That's not what I read from Dave Page, or from participating in the > pgsql-eu-general list. Well, I could obviously be wrong, because I can't read what was in people's minds when they set up certain structures, but when someone sets up a pgsql-foo-general list, then it certainly seems to be a list for anything related to "foo", rather than a PostgreSQL user group in the "foo" region. The fact that most of the early discussion about "anything" in the "eu" region was about forming a user group should not be seen as evidence that the pgsql-eu-general list is specifically and exclusively for EU user group affairs now. What would we do if anyone really wanted a list for general EU things? > > And secondly, the European group is just > > two weeks old, and we are going to have more groups popping up now, it's > > the right time to think about the issue in general. > > Yeah, we're going to start having namespace collisions :) > > We already discussed the classification, and I thought everyone came > to a consensus in that thread about Regional/User > Group/User/Developer. > > See Alvaro and Marc's work on updating Majordomo categories. Well, pgsql-eu-general is still listed as a regional list, which I was under the impression was its intent, but if it is a user group list now, it should be moved, and aliased to something more descriptive.
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Peter if this was a concern for you, I wish you would have brought it > up sooner... We have: > > pgsql-fr-generale > pgsql-ru-general > pgsql-tr-genel > pgsql-eu-general > pgsql-it-generale > > and now we are requesting pgsql-us-general. > > So either they are all mistakes, or? The language-coded lists are catch-alls for PostgreSQL-related things in that language. That is presumably because there is not enough traffic to have more specifically themed lists. Therefore, the naming is appropriate. The mission of pgsql-eu-general is unclear to me at this point, so I cannot comment. The proposed purpose of pgsql-us-general is, however, not a catch-all list for discussions about PostgreSQL in the USA. I was told that it is specifically intended for matters of the USPA. A more accurate mailing list title would be to everyone's benefit, so you don't get useless and off-topic traffic.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:13:44 +0100 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > > See Alvaro and Marc's work on updating Majordomo categories. > > Well, pgsql-eu-general is still listed as a regional list, which I > was under the impression was its intent, but if it is a user group > list now, it should be moved, and aliased to something more > descriptive. I don't necessarily disagree with you but I thought I would offer an observation. Some of this makes some bold assumptions on the part of the PGEU so if I am incorrect (Magnus?) please correct me :). I see postgresql-eu-general as the associated public list for PGEU that anyone is allowed to join and partipate in. For example, I am not a PGEU member but I can subscribe, offer my ideas and generally collaborate. PGEU is welcome to take those ideas and implement them or not. The "business" end of PGEU is going to be handled per pgsql-eu-board. I believe that our intention is the same with the pgsql-us-general in that it is the general United States list. It is where all public discussion for PGUS will take place but I can't imagine that we would limit participation or otherwise limit the collaboration capabilities to only those that are members of PGUS. I hope that those from across the pond will also join the US list to help increase cooperation between them. In this way the -general makes sense. They are not "advocacy" lists. They are not "hackers" lists. They are regional lists that are general to the specific region, the fact that they have a regional non profit associated with them, is just another facet. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2u36ATb/zqfZUUQRAkWwAKCdn4YXnWsXgMEfUYnoy/Sr5i8VCQCdHJkX f9P13ncasMf0JO+yaQLIOiQ= =2zwS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I believe that our intention is the same with the pgsql-us-general in > that it is the general United States list. Well, that is not what Selena said. Her agenda was quite specific.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I believe that our intention is the same with the pgsql-us-general in > > that it is the general United States list. > > Well, that is not what Selena said. Her agenda was quite specific. :) I was giving examples of what we might talk about. I was not creating a definitive list of every topic we would ever allow. I understand what you're getting at, Peter. We've started categorizing things a bit better with the groups, but I don't think that adding -usergroups to the end of the name really captures what is happening any better than -general does. In fact, -usergroups is even more misleading, because it will be confused with the PUGs. And, at the end, I don't have a better naming convention in mind either. I have been thinking about it, but everything i've come up with is no better than what we have. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Friday, March 14, 2008 14:28:19 -0700 "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > I see postgresql-eu-general as the associated public list for PGEU that > anyone is allowed to join and partipate in. For example, I am not a > PGEU member but I can subscribe, offer my ideas and generally > collaborate. PGEU is welcome to take those ideas and implement them or > not. The "business" end of PGEU is going to be handled per > pgsql-eu-board. Then the list should have been pgeu-general ... my understand when this was created was that it was a regional, not user group, list ... similar to our language lists ... The pgsql-* name space has, so far, always been community related stuff ... User Groups fell under *pug@postgresql.org ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH2z9w4QvfyHIvDvMRArgnAJ9qM2xN8jIC1QR/KnlwH7EC6Ec5rwCghdWS Rn0qKexcJVTB/ZYqR92YJ/c= =8Ckd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Friday, March 14, 2008 12:49:58 -0700 Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: >> Selena Deckelmann wrote: >> > pgsql-us-general (public) >> >> Maybe I ask why you need a "general" U.S. list? What is supposed to be >> discussed on there? > > We will use this for the same things that pgsql-eu does: > > * Discussion of board meetings, strategy and logistics of USPA > * General non-technical communication related to USPA's activities > * Status reports and updates on events and progress on goals Okay, then pgsql-eu-general should be renamed to pgeu-general, as it isn't a community list, its an association list ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH2z/C4QvfyHIvDvMRAlwDAJ90GheR1nEGAZPwZtcnDHRXWfQDSgCaAun7 chQnT9lk+q6/J7atyeyAPQg= =Kzc6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Friday, March 14, 2008 14:10:17 -0700 "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:03:35 +0100 > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > >> >> Well, that is not "general". Name it pgsql-us-usergroup or something >> then. The pgsql-eu-general list isn't general either. It's a >> mistake. Let's be more precise and accurate in the future. > > Peter if this was a concern for you, I wish you would have brought it > up sooner... We have: > > pgsql-fr-generale > pgsql-ru-general > pgsql-tr-genel > pgsql-eu-general > pgsql-it-generale > > and now we are requesting pgsql-us-general. > > So either they are all mistakes, or? Actually, apparently pgsql-eu-general is a mistake, but the language ones are exactly "as advertised", general community mailing lists providing a means for posting language specific requests ... it was my understanding that pgsql-eu-general was to provide a more regional group for discussions, not as, as Selena describes it, a general list for discussing PGEU related stuff ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH20Au4QvfyHIvDvMRApKVAJ9zDBubyO+WZxYWpKON8dkcbnT0CwCeMBCT +Um6otDUXj0Rs221eyAgqC4= =iq3a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----