Обсуждение: Sourceforge on Oracle?
I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_
run on Linux/Oracle:
http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html
Formerly, there was only a non-commerical version and it ran on
PostgreSQL.
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Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_ > run on Linux/Oracle: > http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot under a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source database support" ... Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to weigh in on this thread? regards, tom lane
Sorry to interject here, but I did not read anywhere in that article that Sourceforge 3.0 will ONLY use Oracle. It does however say: "Initially, the software will only run on a Linux server and work with Oracle Corp.'s Oracle8i database software. The company plans to roll out versions of SourceForge to run on other platforms "very shortly," Augustin said. The first of those will be a version that runs on Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Solaris server operating system." From that, my assumption would be that the report is incomplete in its list of supported database backends and not that it only supports Oracle. It would be best to contact VA and ask them directly before we all panic, no? :) Cheers, twkonefal --- Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_ > > run on Linux/Oracle: > > http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html > > I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot under > a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source database > support" ... > > Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to weigh > in on this thread? > > regards, tom lane ===== http://adbusters.org/magazine/28/usa.html "There never was economic evidence in favor of capital market liberalization... There still isn't. It increases risk anddoesn't increase growth. You'd think [defenders of liberalization] would say to me by now, 'You haven't read these 10studies,' but they haven't, because there's not even one. There isn't the intellectual basis that you would have thoughtrequired for a major change in international rules. It was all based on ideology." _______________________________________________________ Build your own website for free and in minutes at http://ca.geocities.com
At 01:27 07/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry to interject here, but I did not read anywhere in that article that >Sourceforge 3.0 will ONLY use Oracle. 1) SourceForge move to Oracle is a way to privatize SourceForge 3.0 source code. Do you know if Oracle source code will be made freely available? 2) PostgreSQL lacks some important features How can you explain your boss that it is impossible to: - DROP a field, - PROMOTE/DEMOTEa field type, - CREATE OR REPLACE a view or a trigger in PostgreSQL. 3) Integration need (I guess) Compaq needs to integrate data into their Oracle data-mining center. This means that PostgreSQL would benefit from schema support and OLAP features. 3) The future is ours On the long run, PostgreSQL will beat Oracle and other database systems. These are the laws of evolution. Even if one day Oracle said 'OK guys, we-own-a-patent-on-all-databases-systems', this would not change the direction of evolution. PostgreSQL source code will still be developed somewhere on the planet. PostgreSQL is like DNA: it is universal and will never disappear. We are freedom fighters. Best regards, Jean-Michel POURE
J Smith <dark_panda@hushmail.com> wrote: > > Here's another interesting tidbit -- if you check out the SourceForge > project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/, it seems > they've taken down all of their published code and closed their CVS > repository. Nice. > > J Hello J, check the news section! Citing: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=123589 the code now is available at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria-dev/ Regards Mirko -- GPG public key = http://www.zeibig.net/public_key.asc GPG fingerprint = E85C D909 DC39 47CE 1757 BA36 4C68 41C8 BED4 5A8E "Theoretically practice and theorie are the same, practically they are not!"
Although my submission to /. on the subject was rejected, they posted something similar today. Tim responded to one of my posts with the following: "I decided to let go of the wreckage called VA Linux about 2 1/2 months ago, so I'm not involved. The switch to closed-source and Oracle is a result of the... shall we say... lack of success in the sales department while the open source code was available." FWIW. J Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: >> I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_ >> run on Linux/Oracle: >> http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html > > I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot under > a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source database > support" ... > > Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to weigh > in on this thread? > > regards, tom lane > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org
Here's another interesting tidbit -- if you check out the SourceForge project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/, it seems they've taken down all of their published code and closed their CVS repository. Nice. J Earlier, I wrote: > > Although my submission to /. on the subject was rejected, they posted > something similar today. Tim responded to one of my posts with the > following: > > "I decided to let go of the wreckage called VA Linux about 2 1/2 months > ago, so I'm not involved. > > The switch to closed-source and Oracle is a result of the... shall we > say... lack of success in the sales department while the open source code > was available." > > FWIW. > > J > > > Tom Lane wrote: > >> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: >>> I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_ >>> run on Linux/Oracle: >>> http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html >> >> I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot under >> a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source database >> support" ... >> >> Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to weigh >> in on this thread? >> >> regards, tom lane >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org
Nice indeed. Well, now that VA Linux and CollabNet have both gone over to the dark side, let me make a pitch for the "gborg" software - which powered the late greatbridge.org site. If people are looking for a SourceForgey-type of collaborative development suite, I think they'll be pleasantly surprised by gborg. And, of course, the price is right. http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php I know there have been some issues getting it moved over to Hub.org, but I think Mark and Chris have just about ironed them all out. It's powered by Postgres, with the Mailman listserver and CVS underneath. Issue tracking, task manager, patch and download manager, and other glue all in PHP. We'd kicked around the idea of a unified communications approach, which would have involved hacking Mailman to use Postgres as the data store, then possibly grafting on a message board like Phorum along side of it - so you could post to, and receive from, either mail, news, or Web board. That's a bit of work, but the foundation is all there today. Cheers, Ned ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Smith" <dark_panda@hushmail.com> To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Sourceforge on Oracle? > > Here's another interesting tidbit -- if you check out the SourceForge > project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/, it seems > they've taken down all of their published code and closed their CVS > repository. Nice. > > J > > > Earlier, I wrote: > > > > > Although my submission to /. on the subject was rejected, they posted > > something similar today. Tim responded to one of my posts with the > > following: > > > > "I decided to let go of the wreckage called VA Linux about 2 1/2 months > > ago, so I'm not involved. > > > > The switch to closed-source and Oracle is a result of the... shall we > > say... lack of success in the sales department while the open source code > > was available." > > > > FWIW. > > > > J > > > > > > Tom Lane wrote: > > > >> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > >>> I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge will _only_ > >>> run on Linux/Oracle: > >>> http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html > >> > >> I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot under > >> a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source database > >> support" ... > >> > >> Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to weigh > >> in on this thread? > >> > >> regards, tom lane > >> > >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > >> TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org >
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Ned Lilly wrote: > Nice indeed. Well, now that VA Linux and CollabNet have both gone > over to the dark side, let me make a pitch for the "gborg" > software - which powered the late greatbridge.org site. If people > are looking for a SourceForgey-type of collaborative development > suite, I think they'll be pleasantly surprised by gborg. And, of > course, the price is right. > > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php there used to be a phpadsnew ported to pgsql that was listed on the greatbridge.org website. what happened to that? i don't see it listed in the projects area in this new site.
There's a link to it on the homepage - http://gborg.postgresql.org/ project details at: http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/phppgads/projdisplay.php From: "Thomas T. Thai" <tom@minnesota.com>: > there used to be a phpadsnew ported to pgsql that was listed on the > greatbridge.org website. what happened to that? i don't see it listed in > the projects area in this new site.
Hi Ned, (Welcome back. :) ) Here's an interesting thought... wonder who has the latest copy of the SF project code? How about setting up a NEW project for Sourceforge, call it "Alexia" for example, on Sourceforge. Now, I wonder what the moral/legal ramifications would be if they found out then took it down? (As they would) ;) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Ned Lilly wrote: > > Nice indeed. Well, now that VA Linux and CollabNet have both gone > over to the dark side, let me make a pitch for the "gborg" > software - which powered the late greatbridge.org site. If people > are looking for a SourceForgey-type of collaborative development > suite, I think they'll be pleasantly surprised by gborg. And, of > course, the price is right. > > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php > > I know there have been some issues getting it moved over to Hub.org, > but I think Mark and Chris have just about ironed them all out. > > It's powered by Postgres, with the Mailman listserver and CVS > underneath. Issue tracking, task manager, patch and download > manager, and other glue all in PHP. We'd kicked around the idea of > a unified communications approach, which would have involved hacking > Mailman to use Postgres as the data store, then possibly grafting on > a message board like Phorum along side of it - so you could post to, > and receive from, either mail, news, or Web board. That's a bit of > work, but the foundation is all there today. > > Cheers, > Ned > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Smith" <dark_panda@hushmail.com> > To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Sourceforge on Oracle? > > > > > Here's another interesting tidbit -- if you check out the > SourceForge > > project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/, it > seems > > they've taken down all of their published code and closed their > CVS > > repository. Nice. > > > > J > > > > > > Earlier, I wrote: > > > > > > > > Although my submission to /. on the subject was rejected, they > posted > > > something similar today. Tim responded to one of my posts with > the > > > following: > > > > > > "I decided to let go of the wreckage called VA Linux about 2 1/2 > months > > > ago, so I'm not involved. > > > > > > The switch to closed-source and Oracle is a result of the... > shall we > > > say... lack of success in the sales department while the open > source code > > > was available." > > > > > > FWIW. > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > Tom Lane wrote: > > > > > >> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > >>> I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge > will _only_ > > >>> run on Linux/Oracle: > > >>> http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html > > >> > > >> I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot > under > > >> a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source > database > > >> support" ... > > >> > > >> Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to > weigh > > >> in on this thread? > > >> > > >> regards, tom lane > > >> > > >> ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > > >> TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to > majordomo@postgresql.org > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > > > http://archives.postgresql.org > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
> > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php > Does someone know where I can download this file? I tried to download it here... But all I got is the following =( [njclark@penguin FTP]$ tail -f wget-log --08:37:20-- ftp://gborg.postgresql.org/pub/gborg/stable/gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz => `gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz' Connecting to gborg.postgresql.org:21... gborg.postgresql.org: Host not found And yet I can see the site through http, really wierd =( -- /) John Clark Naldoza y Lopez (\ / ) Software Design Engineer III ( \ _( (_ _ Open Source Software Consultant _) )_ (((\ \> /_> Spectral Wave Manager <_\ </ /))) (\\\\ \_/ / NEC Telecom Software Phils., Inc. \ \_/ ////) \ / \ / \ _/ phone: (+63 32) 233-9142 loc. 3115 \_ / / / cellphone: (+63 919) 399-4742 \ \ / / email: njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp \ \ "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done" --Linus Torvalds
Just ttried here, and downloaded fine ... On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, John Clark Naldoza y Lopez wrote: > > > > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php > > > > Does someone know where I can download this file? I tried to download > it here... > > But all I got is the following =( > > [njclark@penguin FTP]$ tail -f wget-log > --08:37:20-- > ftp://gborg.postgresql.org/pub/gborg/stable/gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz > => `gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz' > Connecting to gborg.postgresql.org:21... > gborg.postgresql.org: Host not found > > And yet I can see the site through http, really wierd =( > > -- > /) John Clark Naldoza y Lopez (\ > / ) Software Design Engineer III ( \ > _( (_ _ Open Source Software Consultant _) )_ > (((\ \> /_> Spectral Wave Manager <_\ </ /))) > (\\\\ \_/ / NEC Telecom Software Phils., Inc. \ \_/ ////) > \ / \ / > \ _/ phone: (+63 32) 233-9142 loc. 3115 \_ / > / / cellphone: (+63 919) 399-4742 \ \ > / / email: njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp \ \ > > > "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work > done" > --Linus Torvalds > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org >
have you tried just a simple ftp client vs the browser? On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, John Clark Naldoza y Lopez wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > > > Just ttried here, and downloaded fine ... > > > Must be my connection here at the office =( > > -- > /) John Clark Naldoza y Lopez (\ > / ) Software Design Engineer III ( \ > _( (_ _ Open Source Software Consultant _) )_ > (((\ \> /_> Spectral Wave Manager <_\ </ /))) > (\\\\ \_/ / NEC Telecom Software Phils., Inc. \ \_/ ////) > \ / \ / > \ _/ phone: (+63 32) 233-9142 loc. 3115 \_ / > / / cellphone: (+63 919) 399-4742 \ \ > / / email: njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp \ \ > > > "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work > done" > --Linus Torvalds >
Hi All, Looks like we were wrong. They've still got the SF Alexandria code online, it's just been moved to a different project : http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=123589 :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Justin Clift wrote: > > Hi Ned, > > (Welcome back. :) ) > > Here's an interesting thought... wonder who has the latest copy of the > SF project code? How about setting up a NEW project for Sourceforge, > call it "Alexia" for example, on Sourceforge. > > Now, I wonder what the moral/legal ramifications would be if they found > out then took it down? (As they would) > > ;) > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > Ned Lilly wrote: > > > > Nice indeed. Well, now that VA Linux and CollabNet have both gone > > over to the dark side, let me make a pitch for the "gborg" > > software - which powered the late greatbridge.org site. If people > > are looking for a SourceForgey-type of collaborative development > > suite, I think they'll be pleasantly surprised by gborg. And, of > > course, the price is right. > > > > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php > > > > I know there have been some issues getting it moved over to Hub.org, > > but I think Mark and Chris have just about ironed them all out. > > > > It's powered by Postgres, with the Mailman listserver and CVS > > underneath. Issue tracking, task manager, patch and download > > manager, and other glue all in PHP. We'd kicked around the idea of > > a unified communications approach, which would have involved hacking > > Mailman to use Postgres as the data store, then possibly grafting on > > a message board like Phorum along side of it - so you could post to, > > and receive from, either mail, news, or Web board. That's a bit of > > work, but the foundation is all there today. > > > > Cheers, > > Ned > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Smith" <dark_panda@hushmail.com> > > To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Sourceforge on Oracle? > > > > > > > > Here's another interesting tidbit -- if you check out the > > SourceForge > > > project page at http://sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria/, it > > seems > > > they've taken down all of their published code and closed their > > CVS > > > repository. Nice. > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > Earlier, I wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Although my submission to /. on the subject was rejected, they > > posted > > > > something similar today. Tim responded to one of my posts with > > the > > > > following: > > > > > > > > "I decided to let go of the wreckage called VA Linux about 2 1/2 > > months > > > > ago, so I'm not involved. > > > > > > > > The switch to closed-source and Oracle is a result of the... > > shall we > > > > say... lack of success in the sales department while the open > > source code > > > > was available." > > > > > > > > FWIW. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Lane wrote: > > > > > > > >> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > > >>> I just read that the new commercial version of Sourceforge > > will _only_ > > > >>> run on Linux/Oracle: > > > >>> http://www.idg.net/ic_724290_1773_1-3921.html > > > >> > > > >> I suppose it'd be inappropriate to post this link on Slashdot > > under > > > >> a heading like "SourceForge Sells Out: No more open-source > > database > > > >> support" ... > > > >> > > > >> Tim Perdue read this list last I heard, wonder if he's going to > > weigh > > > >> in on this thread? > > > >> > > > >> regards, tom lane > > > >> > > > >> ---------------------------(end of > > broadcast)--------------------------- > > > >> TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to > > majordomo@postgresql.org > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of > > broadcast)--------------------------- > > > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > > > > > http://archives.postgresql.org > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > > -- > "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those > who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the > first group; there was less competition there." > - Indira Gandhi > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote:
>
> Just ttried here, and downloaded fine ...
Must be my connection here at the office =(
--
/) John Clark Naldoza y Lopez (\
/ ) Software Design Engineer III ( \
_( (_ _ Open Source Software Consultant _) )_
(((\ \> /_> Spectral Wave Manager <_\ </ /)))
(\\\\ \_/ / NEC Telecom Software Phils., Inc. \ \_/ ////)
\ / \ /
\ _/ phone: (+63 32) 233-9142 loc. 3115 \_ /
/ / cellphone: (+63 919) 399-4742 \ \
/ / email: njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp \ \
"Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work
done"
--Linus Torvalds
justin@postgresql.org (Justin Clift) writes: > Here's an interesting thought... wonder who has the latest copy of the > SF project code? How about setting up a NEW project for Sourceforge, > call it "Alexia" for example, on Sourceforge. > > Now, I wonder what the moral/legal ramifications would be if they found > out then took it down? (As they would) > > ;) Call it Savannah, and just mirror the Savannah development efforts at SourceForge... -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.enworbbc@" "enworbbc")) http://www.cbbrowne.com/info/xwindows.html "We believe Windows 95 is a walking antitrust violation" -- Bryan Sparks
John,
The URL's listed below all work for me. The only reason I can think you
would be having a problem would be because of DNS related issues. You can try
64.49.215.7 instead of gborg.postgresql.org.
I hope this helps. If you have anything else, let me know.
Chris Ryan
Quoting John Clark Naldoza y Lopez <njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp>:
> >
> > http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/gborg/projdisplay.php
> >
>
> Does someone know where I can download this file? I tried to download
> it here...
>
> But all I got is the following =(
>
> [njclark@penguin FTP]$ tail -f wget-log
> --08:37:20--
> ftp://gborg.postgresql.org/pub/gborg/stable/gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz
> => `gbsite-2.1.0.tar.gz'
> Connecting to gborg.postgresql.org:21...
> gborg.postgresql.org: Host not found
>
> And yet I can see the site through http, really wierd =(
>
> --
> /) John Clark Naldoza y Lopez (\
> / ) Software Design Engineer III ( \
> _( (_ _ Open Source Software Consultant _) )_
> (((\ \> /_> Spectral Wave Manager <_\ </ /)))
> (\\\\ \_/ / NEC Telecom Software Phils., Inc. \ \_/ ////)
> \ / \ /
> \ _/ phone: (+63 32) 233-9142 loc. 3115 \_ /
> / / cellphone: (+63 919) 399-4742 \ \
> / / email: njclark@ntsp.nec.co.jp \ \
>
>
> "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work
> done"
> --Linus Torvalds
>
> ---------------------------(end of
> broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives?
>
> http://archives.postgresql.org
>
>
My bad I guess, although they did move it from where it was normally found. I didn't see any notices about the move or anything, and I had heard several people come to the same sort of conclusion. That aside, I'll still be a little miffed if they go with Oracle on their actual web site. (I'm not overly concerned about the commercial "Enterprise Edition" or whatever it's called.) It just seems so... wrong. "Hey, we're pillars of open source/free software, but that doesn't mean we actually have to use it." Whatever. Hopefully they'll stick with free software (hopefully PgSQL, but hell, I'd rather see any OSS/FS database up there over Oracle or MS SQL. J Justin Clift wrote: > Hi All, > > Looks like we were wrong. They've still got the SF Alexandria code > online, it's just been moved to a different project : > > http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=123589 > > :-) > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > >