Обсуждение: USA Disaster
Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act. Carlos Felipe Zirbes DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br Fone: (51) 3342-8055 Fax: (51) 3342-4838
It's pretty incredible. I've been watching it from my rooftop (just outside Manhattan). The buildings are _gone_. Transportation has stopped. And there are military planes circling in the air. Very frightening. -r At 01:15 PM 9/11/01 -0300, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: >Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act. > >Carlos Felipe Zirbes >DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação >E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br >Fone: (51) 3342-8055 >Fax: (51) 3342-4838 > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01
I wish all the american friends the best... I haves uffered terrorism in my country, and its terrible ... God help you all Jorge Sarmiento Lima - Peru On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:33 am, Ryan Mahoney wrote: > It's pretty incredible. I've been watching it from my rooftop (just > outside Manhattan). The buildings are _gone_. Transportation has > stopped. And there are military planes circling in the air. Very > frightening. > > -r > > At 01:15 PM 9/11/01 -0300, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: > >Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act. > > > >Carlos Felipe Zirbes > >DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação > >E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br > >Fone: (51) 3342-8055 > >Fax: (51) 3342-4838 > > > > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > >TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01 ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:15 pm, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: > Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act. Unfortunately, everyone in the US will be directly affected by this. Some are just more directly affected than others. :-( Hopefully no one on this list will be affected by the war that is likely to result from these cowardly acts. :-( -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11
Ryan,
Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? How many
people have died? What is now the prevailing condition of the place? Had
there been leads as to the motive of the attacks?
Thank you very much.
manny
The short answer is that most of your questions are still unknowns. Both of the World Trade Center towers have collapsed after being hit by hijacked passenger aircraft. 50,000 people work in the towers but there is no estimated casualty figures. Another hijacked passenger plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, DC. The Pentagon is the worlds largest office building and houses the Department of Defense. All flights in the US have been grounded by the FAA. Borders between Mexico and Canada have been closed. All federal buildings across the nation have been evacuated. It's crazy. Motive has been speculated... Mostly middle-east policy and anti American sentiment there... Nothing confirmed. Several groups have denied involvement and Arafat (PLO) and Taliban (Afghanistan) have denounced the attacks. The Vice President is at the White House and the President is being moved to an undisclosed location. > From: Manuel Cabido <manny@tinago.msuiit.edu.ph> > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:51:42 +0800 (PHT) > To: Ryan Mahoney <ryan@paymentalliance.net> > Cc: Carlos Felipe Zirbes <carlosz@dbserver.com.br>, > <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster > > Ryan, > > Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? How many > people have died? What is now the prevailing condition of the place? Had > there been leads as to the motive of the attacks? > > Thank you very much. > > manny
I recommend checking out cnn.com, bbc, or even slashdot. I don't know anything more than you can read online. > Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? Two hi-jacked (sp?) planes were crashed into each of the two 110 story World Trade Center buildings in downtown Manhattan. Both building have completely collapsed into themselves. About 20,000 people where in the buildings at the times of the two crashes. > How many people have died? I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high. > What is now the prevailing condition of the place? They have been erased from the skyline. It is surreal to look towards Manhattan and not see them. > Had there been leads as to the motive of the attacks? I don't think there is any consensus here. There is some suspicion of Palestinian terrorists. I believe there was supposed to be a rally in downtown Manhattan near city hall (today? or next week?), which would have possibly been the largest group (150,000) of North American Jews gathered in the US. Personally I am not knowledgeable re: issues and tension that exists between these groups. Everything seems quiet now (there have been sirens and airplanes through most of the day) - I think most of New York is in complete shock. -r --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 4/26/01
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 01:51 pm, Manuel Cabido wrote: > Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? How many > people have died? What is now the prevailing condition of the place? Had > there been leads as to the motive of the attacks? See www.cnn.com, www.msnbc.com, www.foxnews.com, or some other news web site (if you can get through). While this is a horrendous thing, it isn't a PostgreSQL thing.... -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11
Most of New York is in shock and so is the rest of the world, I might add. Information is pretty confuse at this time. I had heard before that there were at least 40,000 people at the WTC at the moments of the crashes, not 20,000. It's been reported that there were at least 300 people on the planes. Ant it seems that at the moment of the collapse of the first tower there were hundres of firemen and paramedics inside the building. The losses are almost countless. USA will certainly fire a retaliation act somewhere in the world againt the terrorists, once it finds out who are them. That scares me because it really can start a war. But I don't think any country will be brave enough to claim responsability for the act. If the one to blame is really Osama Bin Laden I don't know what USA can do, since it has been after Osama for years now and never got even near him. I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen... Carlos Felipe Zirbes DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br Fone: (51) 3342-8055 Fax: (51) 3342-4838 -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mahoney [mailto:ryan@paymentalliance.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:04 PM To: Manuel Cabido Cc: Carlos Felipe Zirbes; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster I recommend checking out cnn.com, bbc, or even slashdot. I don't know anything more than you can read online. > Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? Two hi-jacked (sp?) planes were crashed into each of the two 110 story World Trade Center buildings in downtown Manhattan. Both building have completely collapsed into themselves. About 20,000 people where in the buildings at the times of the two crashes. > How many people have died? I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high. > What is now the prevailing condition of the place? They have been erased from the skyline. It is surreal to look towards Manhattan and not see them. > Had there been leads as to the motive of the attacks? I don't think there is any consensus here. There is some suspicion of Palestinian terrorists. I believe there was supposed to be a rally in downtown Manhattan near city hall (today? or next week?), which would have possibly been the largest group (150,000) of North American Jews gathered in the US. Personally I am not knowledgeable re: issues and tension that exists between these groups. Everything seems quiet now (there have been sirens and airplanes through most of the day) - I think most of New York is in complete shock. -r
Sorry guys, but there are many of us on this list which has been dedicated to postgres type of Q/A. I know that this is a frontpage news at many places, but as far as this list is concerned, it's a spam. Could you please find another forum to discuss these issues? Thanx > > Most of New York is in shock and so is the rest of the world, I might add. > > Information is pretty confuse at this time. I had heard before that there > were at least 40,000 people at the WTC at the moments of the crashes, not > 20,000. It's been reported that there were at least 300 people on the > planes. Ant it seems that at the moment of the collapse of the first tower > there were hundres of firemen and paramedics inside the building. The losses > are almost countless. > > USA will certainly fire a retaliation act somewhere in the world againt the > terrorists, once it finds out who are them. That scares me because it really > can start a war. But I don't think any country will be brave enough to claim > responsability for the act. If the one to blame is really Osama Bin Laden I > don't know what USA can do, since it has been after Osama for years now and > never got even near him. > > I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the > country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen... > > > Carlos Felipe Zirbes > DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação > E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br > Fone: (51) 3342-8055 > Fax: (51) 3342-4838 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Mahoney [mailto:ryan@paymentalliance.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:04 PM > To: Manuel Cabido > Cc: Carlos Felipe Zirbes; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster > > > I recommend checking out cnn.com, bbc, or even slashdot. I don't know > anything more than you can read online. > > > Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? > Two hi-jacked (sp?) planes were crashed into each of the two 110 story > World Trade Center buildings in downtown Manhattan. Both building have > completely collapsed into themselves. About 20,000 people where in the > buildings at the times of the two crashes. > > > How many people have died? > I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very > difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the > first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high. > > > What is now the prevailing condition of the place? > They have been erased from the skyline. It is surreal to look towards > Manhattan and not see them. > > > Had there been leads as to the motive of the attacks? > I don't think there is any consensus here. There is some suspicion of > Palestinian terrorists. I believe there was supposed to be a rally in > downtown Manhattan near city hall (today? or next week?), which would have > possibly been the largest group (150,000) of North American Jews gathered > in the US. > > Personally I am not knowledgeable re: issues and tension that exists > between these groups. Everything seems quiet now (there have been sirens > and airplanes through most of the day) - I think most of New York is in > complete shock. > > -r > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly >
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 02:47 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane is somewhere away from home in the US so he is already affected > because he can't return home. He was supposed to return tomorrow, but > that is now uncertain. I call his home and left a message. Well, the PostgreSQL project is then directly affected... -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:15 pm, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: > > Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act. > > Unfortunately, everyone in the US will be directly affected by this. Some > are just more directly affected than others. :-( > > Hopefully no one on this list will be affected by the war that is likely to > result from these cowardly acts. :-( Tom Lane is somewhere away from home in the US so he is already affected because he can't return home. He was supposed to return tomorrow, but that is now uncertain. I call his home and left a message. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
Well, this time it will be very difficult for the president to consult the
congress, since Capitol Hill apears to have also been destroyed.
But I agree with you. I don't think there's any reason to declare martial
law or anything like that since the terrorists are probably dead now. That
kind of thing is more likely to happen when the enemy is still active. Have
you seen the movie "New York Under Siege"?
As I said in my previous mail, I heard, better saying, read, that
information on an Internet site (www.terra.com.br) and was not sure if such
a thing could really happen.
Carlos Felipe Zirbes
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Lockhart [mailto:lockhart@fourpalms.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:07 PM
To: Carlos Felipe Zirbes
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster
(taking things farther OT, but it is a interesting subject)
> I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the
> country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen...
Absolutely not. The military here has an incredibly strong tradition of
"no politics", and that would extend to disasters and wars (which we are
nowhere near). In the USA the President *is* the Commander of the
military.
What *has* happened in the past on very divisive issues is that the
Congress sometimes feels that they should be consulted or should
authorize actions or plans. The President has authority to take some
kinds of military action in emergencies, but is expected to come back to
Congress for authorization for longer periods of time. I'm not sure of
the details in effect today, since Congress does occasionally try to
change the rules.
In the last couple of decades, Congress has typically supported the
President in any response to an emergency. And it may not matter if they
don't ;)
As in most countries, there is the concept of "martial law", and that
affects the legal process and citizen rights (not "Bush", who heads the
administration, but rather the judicial branch and law enforcement).
That is more within the realm of possibility, but imho is not at all
likely as of now.
- Thomas
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: > I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the > country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen... Putting Bush aside? How can that be, he's the Commander in Chief of the US Military. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks: Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack. To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery. To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the terror. manny
Hallo! Let us spend some thoughts on all the people who died in this tragical and cruel events. And let us feel happy for all the people who could escape in time. I am in Germany, and my father called me on my mobile. I first thought it was a joke! Nobody could have ever thought about SUCH a scenario! Not even the most fantastic writers in hollywood had! How is the internet and telecommunication affected? The first time we did not have real internet-connections, and a few hours ago the satellites began to get free ... Did the priority change, for the first moment, from "normal, public use" to "military and government use only"? (Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but faced with such events, I would say it is not that bad, is it?) Saluti! Ludwig
Hallo! > > How many people have died? > I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very > difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the > first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high. Well, CNN told something about 150.000 daily visitors of that buildings. To me this is a very high number. Too high. This would mean that in every second 1.5 people came into each of the towers, if they were accessable 24h/d ... Could this high number be? Could there really have been 150.000 people visiting the building each day? Saluti! Ludwig
Bruce,
This is quite a tragic and cruel event which we in the postgres
mailing list can not just ignore. We symphatize to those who perished in
this event and we loook forward for justice to be served to those who
perpetuated this heinous crime. I would like to request that this mailing
list will be used as a vehicle for world understanding in the mean time
that we are still recovering from the shock of this incident.
We in the Philippines believes that this should not remain unsettled.
Justice has to be served no matter what it takes.
manny
> To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks: > > Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack. > > To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery. > > To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the > terror. I want to thank the many PostgreSQL users around the globe who have sent condolences to the United States during this tragedy. It is very touching to see the outpouring of support during this difficult time for the United States. Some have questioned whether this topic is appropriate for our mailing lists. Let me just mention that for many people, their only personal contact with US citizens is through these lists. I believe that is why the topic is of such interest. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
To all PostgreSQL People affected by the attacks...
Please accept condolence from all italian people...
Denis Gasparin
At 12/09/01 03.32, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks:
> >
> > Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack.
> >
> > To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery.
> >
> > To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the
> > terror.
>
>I want to thank the many PostgreSQL users around the globe who have sent
>condolences to the United States during this tragedy. It is very
>touching to see the outpouring of support during this difficult time for
>the United States.
>
>Some have questioned whether this topic is appropriate for our mailing
>lists. Let me just mention that for many people, their only personal
>contact with US citizens is through these lists. I believe that is why
>the topic is of such interest.
>
>--
> Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
> pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000
> + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue
> + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
>
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Ludwig Meyerhoff wrote: > > Hallo! > > Let us spend some thoughts on all the people who died in this tragical and > cruel events. And let us feel happy for all the people who could escape in > time. Indeed. > > I am in Germany, and my father called me on my mobile. I first thought it > was a joke! Nobody could have ever thought about SUCH a scenario! Not even > the most fantastic writers in hollywood had! > In fact the military fiction author Dale Brown has written a book (Storming Heaven) with a similar scenario. Although it starts by dropping bombs from hired cargo planes, it ends with the planes themselves being used as the weapon (although computer controlled). http://my.linkbaton.com/get?genre=book&item=0425147231 One of the customer reviews protests the implausibility of its premise, were that but true. > How is the internet and telecommunication affected? The first time we did > not have real internet-connections, and a few hours ago the satellites > began to get free ... Did the priority change, for the first moment, from > "normal, public use" to "military and government use only"? > > (Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but faced with such events, I would say it > is not that bad, is it?) > > Saluti! > > Ludwig > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html -- This is the identity that I use for NewsGroups. Email to this will just sit there. If you wish to email me replace the domain with knightpiesold . co . uk (no spaces).
> Well, this time it will be very difficult for the president to consult the > congress, since Capitol Hill apears to have also been destroyed. Capital Hill was not destroyed. The Pentagon was hit and suffered major damage but undamaged sections are still open for operations. (According to local news this morning) Richard
> How is the internet and telecommunication affected? The first time we did
> not have real internet-connections, and a few hours ago the satellites
> began to get free ... Did the priority change, for the first moment, from
> "normal, public use" to "military and government use only"?
No, I don't feel the govrenment took over anything. Yesterday my company
gave up trying to conduct any business via the Internet as it became so
congested with people trying to find out what had happened. Requests simply
overloaded the internet in places. Ping times between my offices were
averaging 20-35% longer then normal.
As for telephones, we experienced a lot of busy circuits yesterday.
Richard
To all PostgreSQL People affected by the attacks...
Please accept condolence from all italian people...
Denis Gasparin
At 12/09/01 03.32, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks:
> >
> > Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack.
> >
> > To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery.
> >
> > To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the
> > terror.
>
>I want to thank the many PostgreSQL users around the globe who have sent
>condolences to the United States during this tragedy. It is very
>touching to see the outpouring of support during this difficult time for
>the United States.
>
>Some have questioned whether this topic is appropriate for our mailing
>lists. Let me just mention that for many people, their only personal
>contact with US citizens is through these lists. I believe that is why
>the topic is of such interest.
>
>--
> Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
> pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000
> + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue
> + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
>
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