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How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Karen Goh
Дата:
Hi,

I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a few thousands rows of data.

So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be done using pgAdmin4.

And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no reply at all.

Hence, I hope to get some help here.

Thanks & regards,
Karen



Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Holger Jakobs
Дата:
The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a
backslashand a period.  \. 



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen

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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
nikhil raj
Дата:
HI,

If you are migrate through PSQL shell by using \i and the path.

* Note before restoring connect to the databases and migrate it.





On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:02 AM Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:
The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period.  \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen

--
Holger Jakobs, Bergisch Gladbach
+49 178 9759012
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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Karen Goh
Дата:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period.  \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


--
Holger Jakobs, Bergisch Gladbach
+49 178 9759012
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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Holger Jakobs
Дата:

Hi Karen,

all frontends ask for a password if the combination of hostname, user, database needs one, unless you save it in the .pgpass or %APPDATA%\postgresql\pgpass.conf file.

Your command

    psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

lacks a host to connect to. If the database is running on the same system, add the option -h localhost.

Using the username postgres is generally not a good idea, set up an ordinary user, create a database for that user and use those. The name of the user and database may be identical, but doesn't have to.

After downloading PostgreSQL (if for Windows, it should be the one by EDB) it has to be installed. I don't think there is a pure client installer available for Windows, though.

Regards,

Holger

Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period.  \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Holger Jakobs
Дата:

Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.

Regards,

Holger

Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period.  \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful.  Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


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Holger Jakobs, Bergisch Gladbach
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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Karen Goh
Дата:





On Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:44:24 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.


OK. Now I found my password from my notebook.

Using Windows 10 command prompt, the error said it can't find that file but the fileName everything was correct.
Is there anything wrong with that query?

I also read this thread but I can't find any file open to get pgAdmin4 to open my file.


https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/287946147.391841.1515085145687%40mail.yahoo.com

Please advise.

Regards,

Holger
Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period. \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful. Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


--
Holger Jakobs, Bergisch Gladbach
+49 178 9759012
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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

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Gopi Setty
Дата:
1. Simple file import method (Right-click in table and import/export option)

image.png

2. If you are using pg-admin-III right-click on the PSQL consloe option  or Linux server use a copy command    \COPY tmp_test FROM 'test.csv' DELIMITER ',' CSV HEADER ;

image.png

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:29 AM Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com> wrote:





On Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:44:24 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.


OK. Now I found my password from my notebook.

Using Windows 10 command prompt, the error said it can't find that file but the fileName everything was correct.
Is there anything wrong with that query?

I also read this thread but I can't find any file open to get pgAdmin4 to open my file.


https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/287946147.391841.1515085145687%40mail.yahoo.com

Please advise.

Regards,

Holger
Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period. \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful. Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Karen Goh
Дата:





On Friday, July 19, 2019, 9:52:42 PM GMT+8, Gopi Setty <gsp06268@gmail.com> wrote:


1. Simple file import method (Right-click in table and import/export option)

image.png

2. If you are using pg-admin-III right-click on the PSQL consloe option or Linux server use a copy command \COPY tmp_test FROM 'test.csv' DELIMITER ',' CSV HEADER ;

image.png

Thanks Gopi. However, I am getting the below error.

ERROR: extra data after last expected column
CONTEXT: COPY dbMembershipparticulars, line 1: "-- phpMyAdmin SQL Dump"
How do I resolve this error ?

Unfortunately, I am not using Linux server...and just make use of whatever iH ave which is Windows 10:(


On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:29 AM Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com> wrote:






On Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:44:24 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.


OK. Now I found my password from my notebook.

Using Windows 10 command prompt, the error said it can't find that file but the fileName everything was correct.
Is there anything wrong with that query?

I also read this thread but I can't find any file open to get pgAdmin4 to open my file.


https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/287946147.391841.1515085145687%40mail.yahoo.com

Please advise.

Regards,

Holger
Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period. \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful. Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


--
Holger Jakobs, Bergisch Gladbach
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- sent from mobile, therefore short -


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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Gopi Setty
Дата:
Looks like you have additional columns, 

Take the file header and created temp table and load  to temp to temp table first.

Create temp table test(< allcolumns list  >   <text data type >)


On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 9:07 AM Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com> wrote:





On Friday, July 19, 2019, 9:52:42 PM GMT+8, Gopi Setty <gsp06268@gmail.com> wrote:


1. Simple file import method (Right-click in table and import/export option)

image.png

2. If you are using pg-admin-III right-click on the PSQL consloe option or Linux server use a copy command \COPY tmp_test FROM 'test.csv' DELIMITER ',' CSV HEADER ;

image.png

Thanks Gopi. However, I am getting the below error.

ERROR: extra data after last expected column
CONTEXT: COPY dbMembershipparticulars, line 1: "-- phpMyAdmin SQL Dump"
How do I resolve this error ?

Unfortunately, I am not using Linux server...and just make use of whatever iH ave which is Windows 10:(



On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:29 AM Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com> wrote:






On Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:44:24 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.


OK. Now I found my password from my notebook.

Using Windows 10 command prompt, the error said it can't find that file but the fileName everything was correct.
Is there anything wrong with that query?

I also read this thread but I can't find any file open to get pgAdmin4 to open my file.


https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/287946147.391841.1515085145687%40mail.yahoo.com

Please advise.

Regards,

Holger
Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period. \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful. Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


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Re: How do I import a sql file into pgAdmin4 ?

От
Karen Goh
Дата:





On Friday, July 19, 2019, 9:52:42 PM GMT+8, Gopi Setty <gsp06268@gmail.com> wrote:


1. Simple file import method (Right-click in table and import/export option)

image.png

Hi Gopi,
Further to my last message regarding the error, can I know if I have to create the columns before I import or just the table will do ?

Now, I tried using csv format file, still receiving the same error :
error extra data after last expected column

2. If you are using pg-admin-III right-click on the PSQL consloe option or Linux server use a copy command \COPY tmp_test FROM 'test.csv' DELIMITER ',' CSV HEADER ;

image.png

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:29 AM Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com> wrote:






On Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:44:24 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


Hi Kargen,

The password is the one which was set for the respective user (here: postgres) in the database backend.

A fresh installation typically has only one user role named postgres. The password is asked for during the installation (in case of Windows). On Linux servers the role has no password, but is authenticated by peer, which means that you connect from a session on the database server locally to the database.

After installing the EDB Postgres database on Windows, you have to start the client programs with their complete path or add the directory where they reside (typically C:\Program Files\Postgresql\versionNumber\bin) to the environment variable %PATH%. Please check with your system administrators on how to do this.


OK. Now I found my password from my notebook.

Using Windows 10 command prompt, the error said it can't find that file but the fileName everything was correct.
Is there anything wrong with that query?

I also read this thread but I can't find any file open to get pgAdmin4 to open my file.


https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/287946147.391841.1515085145687%40mail.yahoo.com

Please advise.

Regards,

Holger
Am 15.07.19 um 10:59 schrieb Karen Goh:



Hi Hoger,

I tried as you said. I downloaded this psql - postgres frontend for windows and then tried pg_dump as well as psql command prompt.

But, they asked me for password.

May I know what kind of password it is referring to ?

When I downloaded POSTGRESQL, it is saved in the program files in windows 10 but there isn't any command line tool available.
I tried using windows 10 command prompt but it is not accepting any command like I what type :
psql -U postgres -d mydb -a -f "Filelocation\name"

Please help.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 15, 2019, 1:32:08 PM GMT+8, Holger Jakobs <holger@jakobs.com> wrote:


The easiest way would be using psql on the command line.

Dump a little database using pg_dump with the option --data-only to see what the format digestible by psql looks like.

Basically, it's a COPY command followed by the data in tab-separated format finished by a line consisting of a backslash and a period. \.



Am 15. Juli 2019 07:27:00 MESZ schrieb Karen Goh <karenworld@yahoo.com>:
>Hi,
>
>I need to migrate to postgreSQL using SQL flat files which contains a
>few thousands rows of data.
>
>So far, I have attempted but not successful. Not sure if it can't be
>done using pgAdmin4.
>
>And posting to Stackoverflow superUser doesn't help as there is no
>reply at all.
>
>Hence, I hope to get some help here.
>
>Thanks & regards,
>Karen


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