Обсуждение: Remove Postgres from Solaris 10
Hello all,
I have a software solution with a postgres database. The user postgres is abolutly needed for my software.
With Solaris 10, Postgres is automatically installed and uses the user postgres. How can I easily remove the current postgres install from this Solaris 10? Is there a process which is provided from Solaris to remove it? Whats the best way to do it?
Thank you for your help.
Cheers Thomas
I guess what you mean is to remove the "role" postgres so that you can redefine it as a normal user and not remove the binaries that are installed with Postgres as they can be overridden by having right PATH variables Its easy... Modify /etc/user_attr and remove type=role from the postgres line and modify /etc/passwd to set a home path and change default shell to /bin/sh or /bin/bash and set password for it.. and now you have a normal user.. Is this what you are trying to do? -Jignesh Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a software solution with a postgres database. The user postgres > is abolutly needed for my software. > > With Solaris 10, Postgres is automatically installed and uses the user > postgres. How can I easily remove the current postgres install from > this Solaris 10? Is there a process which is provided from Solaris to > remove it? Whats the best way to do it? > > Thank you for your help. > > Cheers Thomas > **
There are a couple of options you can take to accomplish this.
1) Remove the role by running ¨roledel postgres¨ . This will remove
postgres from /etc/passwd and /etc/user_attr, and you can use useradd to
add postgres as a user.
2) Modify ¨postgres¨ from being a role to user. Below are the steps I use:
a) run ¨passwd -d postgres¨
b) edit /etc/user_attr and change type for ¨postgres¨ from ¨role¨
to ¨user¨
c) create a home dir for postgres if needed
d) use the usermod command to change the home dir and shell
-Robert
Jignesh K. Shah wrote:
> I guess what you mean is to remove the "role" postgres so that you can
> redefine it as a normal user and not remove the binaries that are
> installed with Postgres as they can be overridden by having right PATH
> variables
>
> Its easy... Modify /etc/user_attr and remove type=role from the
> postgres line and modify /etc/passwd to set a home path and change
> default shell to /bin/sh or /bin/bash and set password for it.. and
> now you have a normal user..
> Is this what you are trying to do?
>
> -Jignesh
>
>
> Thomas Bräutigam wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a software solution with a postgres database. The user
>> postgres is abolutly needed for my software.
>>
>> With Solaris 10, Postgres is automatically installed and uses the
>> user postgres. How can I easily remove the current postgres install
>> from this Solaris 10? Is there a process which is provided from
>> Solaris to remove it? Whats the best way to do it?
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> Cheers Thomas
>> **
Hi Jignesh, But than I have the problem that I have 2 installations of postgres with default settings on one machine. Is it possibleto have two installations with default settings on one machine? Do they not interrupt each other with ports or something else....? Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM [mailto:J.K.Shah@Sun.COM] Sent: Dienstag, 29. April 2008 04:45 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 I guess what you mean is to remove the "role" postgres so that you can redefine it as a normal user and not remove the binariesthat are installed with Postgres as they can be overridden by having right PATH variables Its easy... Modify /etc/user_attr and remove type=role from the postgres line and modify /etc/passwd to set a home path andchange default shell to /bin/sh or /bin/bash and set password for it.. and now you have a normal user.. Is this what you are trying to do? -Jignesh Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a software solution with a postgres database. The user postgres > is abolutly needed for my software. > > With Solaris 10, Postgres is automatically installed and uses the user > postgres. How can I easily remove the current postgres install from > this Solaris 10? Is there a process which is provided from Solaris to > remove it? Whats the best way to do it? > > Thank you for your help. > > Cheers Thomas > **
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:47:02 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Jignesh, > > But than I have the problem that I have 2 installations of postgres > with default settings on one machine. Is it possible to have two > installations with default settings on one machine? > > Do they not interrupt each other with ports or something else....? You will want to change the ports they run on. It may also affect your kernel settings such as shmmax. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
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Hi Joshua The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres database. Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? Same ports etc.....? Right now I just used the hammer method and removed the packages from the Solaris 10 version, but this seem to be not theelegant version of doin it. Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 01:52 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:47:02 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Jignesh, > > But than I have the problem that I have 2 installations of postgres > with default settings on one machine. Is it possible to have two > installations with default settings on one machine? > > Do they not interrupt each other with ports or something else....? You will want to change the ports they run on. It may also affect your kernel settings such as shmmax. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Hi Joshua, Why does it affect shmmax? Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 01:52 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:47:02 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Jignesh, > > But than I have the problem that I have 2 installations of postgres > with default settings on one machine. Is it possible to have two > installations with default settings on one machine? > > Do they not interrupt each other with ports or something else....? You will want to change the ports they run on. It may also affect your kernel settings such as shmmax. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:00:42 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Why does it affect shmmax? Because you would have two clusters access shared memory. http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/kernel-resources.html Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Joshua > > The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres > database. > > Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? > Same ports etc.....? I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two postgresql installations bound to the same port. You can have two postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same machine. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
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In our organization, we are running multiple databases on the same box on the default port. However, they all have their own data directories and they listen on different VIP's. Here are the parameters in postrgresql.conf to make it work: unix_socket_directory = 'data directory for a particular DB here' listen_addresses = 'VIP here' port = 5432 On 4/29/08 5:33 PM, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 > Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > >> Hi Joshua >> >> The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres >> database. >> >> Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? >> Same ports etc.....? > > I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two > postgresql installations bound to the same port. You can have two > postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same > machine. > > Joshua D. Drake > --
Hi Joshua, I think I have to explain it a little more detailed - my product uses a postgres database with the standart config (ports etc.) - with Solaris 10 postgres is already installed as standart - I need to replace this Solaris 10 postgres installation with my standart postgres database of my product That is the reason I need to remove the standart postgres installation from Solaris 10 that I can use my own postgres database. My concern is how I can remove this standart Solaris 10 postgres database as quick and efficient as possible that I can putin my postgres database? Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 02:33 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Joshua > > The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres > database. > > Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? > Same ports etc.....? I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two postgresql installations bound to the same port. Youcan have two postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same machine. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Here are my two cents: You dont want to remove packages installed with Solaris by default.. However you may use your own Postgres packages or binaries in different location and not enable Postgres by default. (PostgreSQL is an integral part of Solaris 10 ) Don't forget some of Solaris's own tools like SunMC now uses the bundled postgres in the operating system and hence depends on its existence and tested against it. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/sundocs/articles/sunmcnew.jsp Removing PostgreSQL packages installed by default is not supported since upgrades to the Operating system will depend on those file installations to exist out in the preset locations. However that does not mean you cannot have your own binaries and use them at the default port. The default database is not enabled by default which means there is no collision of port numbers unless you want both database clusters to be enabled. If thats the case than changing Port numbers in either your database cluster or the default db instance (if init'ed by using svcadm start postgres_82:default for the first time) in /var/postgres/8.2/data/postgresql.conf should be fairly easy. Other option is to use "OpenSolaris" CD images which does not have PostgreSQL installed by default as part of the "CD image" install as of now. http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/getit/ -Jignesh Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I think I have to explain it a little more detailed > > - my product uses a postgres database with the standart config (ports etc.) > - with Solaris 10 postgres is already installed as standart > - I need to replace this Solaris 10 postgres installation with my standart postgres database of my product > > That is the reason I need to remove the standart postgres installation from Solaris 10 that I can use my own postgres database. > > My concern is how I can remove this standart Solaris 10 postgres database as quick and efficient as possible that I canput in my postgres database? > > Cheers Thomas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 02:33 > To: Thomas Bräutigam > Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 > Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > > >> Hi Joshua >> >> The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres >> database. >> >> Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? >> Same ports etc.....? >> > > I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two postgresql installations bound to the same port.You can have two postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same machine. > > Joshua D. Drake > > > -- > The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ > United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate > > > > >
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:10:00 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I think I have to explain it a little more detailed > > - my product uses a postgres database with the standart config (ports > etc.) > - with Solaris 10 postgres is already installed as standart > - I need to replace this Solaris 10 postgres installation with my > standart postgres database of my product Why? Why not use the one that Solaris ships with? Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
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Hi Jignesh What things do I all need to take care when I want to run both postgres databases on the same box. Like the Solaris 10 postgresdb and my postgres db. What parameters to I need to change in the postgresql.conf file? Is there something else I need to take care? Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM [mailto:J.K.Shah@Sun.COM] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 05:58 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: Joshua D. Drake; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 Here are my two cents: You dont want to remove packages installed with Solaris by default.. However you may use your own Postgres packages or binaries in different location and not enable Postgres by default. (PostgreSQLis an integral part of Solaris 10 ) Don't forget some of Solaris's own tools like SunMC now uses the bundled postgres in the operating system and hence dependson its existence and tested against it. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/sundocs/articles/sunmcnew.jsp Removing PostgreSQL packages installed by default is not supported since upgrades to the Operating system will depend onthose file installations to exist out in the preset locations. However that does not mean you cannot have your own binariesand use them at the default port. The default database is not enabled by default which means there is no collisionof port numbers unless you want both database clusters to be enabled. If thats the case than changing Port numbersin either your database cluster or the default db instance (if init'ed by using svcadm start postgres_82:default for the first time) in /var/postgres/8.2/data/postgresql.conf should be fairly easy. Other option is to use "OpenSolaris" CD images which does not have PostgreSQL installed by default as part of the "CD image"install as of now. http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/getit/ -Jignesh Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I think I have to explain it a little more detailed > > - my product uses a postgres database with the standart config (ports > etc.) > - with Solaris 10 postgres is already installed as standart > - I need to replace this Solaris 10 postgres installation with my > standart postgres database of my product > > That is the reason I need to remove the standart postgres installation from Solaris 10 that I can use my own postgres database. > > My concern is how I can remove this standart Solaris 10 postgres database as quick and efficient as possible that I canput in my postgres database? > > Cheers Thomas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 02:33 > To: Thomas Bräutigam > Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 > Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > > >> Hi Joshua >> >> The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres >> database. >> >> Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? >> Same ports etc.....? >> > > I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two postgresql installations bound to the same port.You can have two postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same machine. > > Joshua D. Drake > > > -- > The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ > PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ > United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate > to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate > > > > >
Is this than everyhting I need to take care when I run this both standard databases or do I need to configure or change somethingelse? unix_socket_directory = 'data directory for a particular DB here' listen_addresses = 'VIP here' port = 5432 Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Igor Polishchuk [mailto:ipolishchuk@hi5.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 03:57 To: Joshua D. Drake; Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 In our organization, we are running multiple databases on the same box on the default port. However, they all have theirown data directories and they listen on different VIP's. Here are the parameters in postrgresql.conf to make it work: unix_socket_directory = 'data directory for a particular DB here' listen_addresses = 'VIP here' port = 5432 On 4/29/08 5:33 PM, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 > Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > >> Hi Joshua >> >> The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres >> database. >> >> Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? >> Same ports etc.....? > > I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two > postgresql installations bound to the same port. You can have two > postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same > machine. > > Joshua D. Drake > --
Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hi Jignesh > > What things do I all need to take care when I want to run both postgres databases on the same box. Like the Solaris 10postgres db and my postgres db. > By default the Postgres versions that are shipped with Solaris are disabled (run "svcs postgresql" to verify). So if you just want to use your own Postgres binary, you don't have to worry about changing the port as long as you don't enable the versions that come with Solaris. You are making conflicting statement about running both databases in parallel but at the same time want to replace your version with the binary that comes with Solaris. Perhaps you're thinking that the Postgres that comes with Solaris is always running by default which is not the case! -Robert
Hi Robert, That's the issue, the database is not running which gets delivered with Solaris 10 but I am not sure if the my customer accidentlyactivates it or not, so I want to be on the safe side of live, that I minimize this risk. Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Robert.Lor@Sun.COM [mailto:Robert.Lor@Sun.COM] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 20:25 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Joshua D. Drake; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > Hi Jignesh > > What things do I all need to take care when I want to run both postgres databases on the same box. Like the Solaris 10postgres db and my postgres db. > By default the Postgres versions that are shipped with Solaris are disabled (run "svcs postgresql" to verify). So if youjust want to use your own Postgres binary, you don't have to worry about changing the port as long as you don't enablethe versions that come with Solaris. You are making conflicting statement about running both databases in parallel but at the same time want to replace your versionwith the binary that comes with Solaris. Perhaps you're thinking that the Postgres that comes with Solaris is alwaysrunning by default which is not the case! -Robert
Thomas Bräutigam wrote: > That's the issue, the database is not running which gets delivered with Solaris 10 but I am not sure if the my customeraccidently activates it or not, so I want to be on the safe side of live, that I minimize this risk. > In that case, just pick a non default port for your Postgres server process. -Robert
Hola Soy estudiante de Ingeniería Informática. Le escribo porque consulté una publicación suya en la web sobre POSTGRESQL y másespecíficamente mi duda es sobre replica, tenemos un escenario de la siguiente manera, queremos montar una aplicaciónpara el país completo, que es necesario que todos puedan consultar y modificar sobre los mismos datos y tenemosla duda si usar PgCluster nos seria factible? y si es así si seria síncrono o asíncrono. Otra cosa, que seria elreplicador(hardware o software) y el balanceador de carga. Gracias de antemano Saludos Igniris -----Mensaje original----- De: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] En nombre de Thomas Bräutigam Enviado el: martes, 29 de abril de 2008 23:10 Para: Joshua D. Drake CC: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Asunto: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 Hi Joshua, I think I have to explain it a little more detailed - my product uses a postgres database with the standart config (ports etc.) - with Solaris 10 postgres is already installed as standart - I need to replace this Solaris 10 postgres installation with my standart postgres database of my product That is the reason I need to remove the standart postgres installation from Solaris 10 that I can use my own postgres database. My concern is how I can remove this standart Solaris 10 postgres database as quick and efficient as possible that I can putin my postgres database? Cheers Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 30. April 2008 02:33 To: Thomas Bräutigam Cc: J.K.Shah@Sun.COM; Robert.Lor@Sun.COM; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Remove Postgres from Solaris 10 On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:08 +0200 Thomas Bräutigam <thomas.braeutigam@nexustelecom.com> wrote: > Hi Joshua > > The problem is this that I need this ports for my default postgres > database. > > Is it than possible to have 2 default postgres databases in parallel? > Same ports etc.....? I am afraid I don't understand what you are asking. You can't have two postgresql installations bound to the same port. Youcan have two postgresql installations pointing to different ports on the same machine. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-admin
Igniris Valdivia Baez wrote: > Hola > Soy estudiante de Ingeniería Informática. Le escribo porque consulté una publicación suya en la web sobre POSTGRESQL ymás específicamente mi duda es sobre replica, tenemos un escenario de la siguiente manera, queremos montar una aplicaciónpara el país completo, que es necesario que todos puedan consultar y modificar sobre los mismos datos y tenemosla duda si usar PgCluster nos seria factible? y si es así si seria síncrono o asíncrono. Otra cosa, que seria elreplicador(hardware o software) y el balanceador de carga. > Gracias de antemano > Saludos Igniris > > Allright I used google translate to understand the email " Hello I am a student of computer engineering. I am writing you because I consulted a publication on the web and more specifically on POSTGRESQL is definitely on my replica, we have a scenario as follows, we want to mount an application for the whole country, it is necessary that everyone can see and change on them data and we doubt if we use PgCluster feasible? and if so whether serious synchronous or asynchronous. Another thing that would be the replicator (hardware or software) and the load balancer. Thanks in advance Greetings Igniris " Anyway I dont think I have any answers to this. -Jignesh