Re: checkpointer continuous flushing

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Fabien COELHO
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Re: checkpointer continuous flushing
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alpine.DEB.2.10.1506021515060.17397@sto
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checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Peter Geoghegan <pg@heroku.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Jeff Janes <jeff.janes@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Peter Geoghegan <pg@heroku.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V18 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Patric Bechtel <patric.bechtel@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing - V16 Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Langote <Langote_Amit_f8@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Cédric Villemain <cedric@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <fabien.coelho@mines-paristech.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Re: checkpointer continuous flushing Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>

Hello Amit,

> [...]
>> The objective is to help avoid PG stalling when fsyncing on checkpoints,
>> and in general to get better latency-bound performance.
>
> Won't this lead to more-unsorted writes (random I/O) as the
> FlushBuffer requests (by checkpointer or bgwriter) are not sorted as
> per files or order of blocks on disk?

Yep, probably. Under "moderate load" this is not an issue. The 
io-scheduler and other hd firmware will probably reorder writes anyway. 
Also, if several data are updated together, probably they are likely to be 
already neighbours in memory as well as on disk.

> I remember sometime back there was some discusion regarding
> sorting writes during checkpoint, one idea could be try to
> check this idea along with that patch.  I just saw that Andres has
> also given same suggestion which indicates that it is important
> to see both the things together.

I would rather separate them, unless this is a blocker. This version seems 
already quite effective and very light. ISTM that adding a sort phase 
would mean reworking significantly how the checkpointer processes pages.

> Also here another related point is that I think currently even fsync
> requests are not in order of the files as they are stored on disk so
> that also might cause random I/O?

I think that currently the fsync is on the file handler, so what happens 
depends on how fsync is implemented by the system.

> Yet another idea could be to allow BGWriter to also fsync the dirty
> buffers,

ISTM That it is done with this patch with "bgwriter_flush_to_disk=on".

> that may have side impact of not able to clear the dirty pages at speed 
> required by system, but I think if that happens one can think of having 
> multiple BGwriter tasks.

-- 
Fabien.


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