Обсуждение: My book
It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ but the book content it points to is invalid: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no > longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: (hey, it's your website too :P) > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ > > but the book content it points to is invalid: > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it to somewhere else? -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Le 27 janvier 2012 10:35, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >> It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no >> longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: > > (hey, it's your website too :P) > > >> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ >> >> but the book content it points to is invalid: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ > > Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions > of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do > that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it > to somewhere else? It seems the recent changes in our infra are breaking URL . For me this is a very bad idea and most websites upgrade try to not break references to them. Breaking links is the garantee to make a lot of people unhappy. (both readers and writers) For this book, it might be better to update the webpage content if it is really outdated... and luck, the author is still around. I also see no benefit to remove access to a book fully online whatever the birthdate of this book, it is like trashing it. -- Cédric Villemain +33 (0)6 20 30 22 52 http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL: Support 24x7 - Développement, Expertise et Formation
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Cédric Villemain <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 27 janvier 2012 10:35, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>> It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no >>> longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: >> >> (hey, it's your website too :P) >> >> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ >>> >>> but the book content it points to is invalid: >>> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ >> >> Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions >> of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do >> that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it >> to somewhere else? > > It seems the recent changes in our infra are breaking URL . > For me this is a very bad idea and most websites upgrade try to not > break references to them. > Breaking links is the garantee to make a lot of people unhappy. (both > readers and writers) We didn't break any URLs intentionally (we went out of our way to maintain the old ones in fact) - except where we removed out of date content. Noone expects websites to maintain all their content indefinitely. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
Le 27 janvier 2012 11:32, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Cédric Villemain > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >> Le 27 janvier 2012 10:35, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>> It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no >>>> longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: >>> >>> (hey, it's your website too :P) >>> >>> >>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ >>>> >>>> but the book content it points to is invalid: >>>> >>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ >>> >>> Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions >>> of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do >>> that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it >>> to somewhere else? >> >> It seems the recent changes in our infra are breaking URL . >> For me this is a very bad idea and most websites upgrade try to not >> break references to them. >> Breaking links is the garantee to make a lot of people unhappy. (both >> readers and writers) > > We didn't break any URLs intentionally (we went out of our way to > maintain the old ones in fact) - except where we removed out of date > content. Noone expects websites to maintain all their content > indefinitely. Don't read me wrong: I am speaking about URL, not page content. There is a hudge difference between: «The URL you specified does not exist.» and «This page was outdated and has been removed.» Not speaking in place of Bruce for his book, but here it is not very polite to let him discover that alone. -- Cédric Villemain +33 (0)6 20 30 22 52 http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL: Support 24x7 - Développement, Expertise et Formation
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:39, Cédric Villemain <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 27 janvier 2012 11:32, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> a écrit : >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Cédric Villemain >> <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Le 27 janvier 2012 10:35, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : >>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>>> It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no >>>>> longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: >>>> >>>> (hey, it's your website too :P) >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ >>>>> >>>>> but the book content it points to is invalid: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ >>>> >>>> Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions >>>> of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do >>>> that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it >>>> to somewhere else? >>> >>> It seems the recent changes in our infra are breaking URL . >>> For me this is a very bad idea and most websites upgrade try to not >>> break references to them. >>> Breaking links is the garantee to make a lot of people unhappy. (both >>> readers and writers) >> >> We didn't break any URLs intentionally (we went out of our way to >> maintain the old ones in fact) - except where we removed out of date >> content. Noone expects websites to maintain all their content >> indefinitely. > > Don't read me wrong: I am speaking about URL, not page content. > > There is a hudge difference between: > «The URL you specified does not exist.» > and > «This page was outdated and has been removed.» > > Not speaking in place of Bruce for his book, but here it is not very > polite to let him discover that alone. He was told before (of course), and has either forgotten, or his mail was just in reference to the link on the books page that we forgot to remove. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Le 27 janvier 2012 11:46, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:39, Cédric Villemain > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >> Le 27 janvier 2012 11:32, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> a écrit : >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Cédric Villemain >>> <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Le 27 janvier 2012 10:35, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> a écrit : >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>>>>> It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no >>>>>> longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: >>>>> >>>>> (hey, it's your website too :P) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ >>>>>> >>>>>> but the book content it points to is invalid: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ >>>>> >>>>> Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions >>>>> of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do >>>>> that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it >>>>> to somewhere else? >>>> >>>> It seems the recent changes in our infra are breaking URL . >>>> For me this is a very bad idea and most websites upgrade try to not >>>> break references to them. >>>> Breaking links is the garantee to make a lot of people unhappy. (both >>>> readers and writers) >>> >>> We didn't break any URLs intentionally (we went out of our way to >>> maintain the old ones in fact) - except where we removed out of date >>> content. Noone expects websites to maintain all their content >>> indefinitely. >> >> Don't read me wrong: I am speaking about URL, not page content. >> >> There is a hudge difference between: >> «The URL you specified does not exist.» >> and >> «This page was outdated and has been removed.» >> >> Not speaking in place of Bruce for his book, but here it is not very >> polite to let him discover that alone. > > He was told before (of course), and has either forgotten, or his mail > was just in reference to the link on the books page that we forgot to > remove. > oh! sure it sounds better, sorry for the noise and my reaction then. -- Cédric Villemain +33 (0)6 20 30 22 52 http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL: Support 24x7 - Développement, Expertise et Formation
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:35:41AM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 05:02, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > It seems my book content, PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts, is no > > longer on your web site. It is listed here near the bottom: > > (hey, it's your website too :P) > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/ > > > > but the book content it points to is invalid: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books/awbook/ > > Right. The contents were removed because it covered very old versions > of the db. We should obviously remove the link as well - I'll go do > that - while keeping the name itself. Or would you like us to link it > to somewhere else? I now have the book content on my web site: http://momjian.us/main/writings/pgsql/aw_pgsql_book/ You can link to that if you wish. The content is very out of date --- I think its only value is in teaching basic SQL, which was frankly its initial purpose anyway. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +