Обсуждение: Move the developers wiki?
Hackers, As you may have noticed (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2008-03/msg00470.php) we now have a wiki at wiki.postgresql.org that is replacing techdocs which unfortunately never worked quite as we had hoped in it's current form. It has been suggested by members of the web team that as the new site has been setup on a dedicated VM and has been properly integrated with the rest of our online infrastructure (unlike the current developer wiki which is basically a quick 'n' dirty install on an already over-utilised VM), that we should consider moving the developer wiki into a dedicated area on it. Any thoughts on whether thats a good or bad idea? Any objections? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:16:33 +0000 "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > Hackers, > > As you may have noticed > (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2008-03/msg00470.php) we > now have a wiki at wiki.postgresql.org that is replacing techdocs > which unfortunately never worked quite as we had hoped in it's current > form. > > It has been suggested by members of the web team that as the new site > has been setup on a dedicated VM and has been properly integrated with > the rest of our online infrastructure (unlike the current developer > wiki which is basically a quick 'n' dirty install on an already > over-utilised VM), that we should consider moving the developer wiki > into a dedicated area on it. > > Any thoughts on whether thats a good or bad idea? Any objections? Not an objection but an observation. The developer wiki seems to be a catchall for contributors to put various stuff on. There is patch status, advocacy policies, release policies etc... Based on your description of wiki.postgresql.org it is supposed to be a replacement for techdocs. To me, they have different purposes. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2BIhATb/zqfZUUQRAr/WAJ9ffj8pvozqRAwALu+nxjOlSw5bkACfdQcH ikknupDqWY/0B3MhcAXhscQ= =E1Cf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25:53AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:16:33 +0000 > "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > > > Hackers, > > > > As you may have noticed > > (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2008-03/msg00470.php) we > > now have a wiki at wiki.postgresql.org that is replacing techdocs > > which unfortunately never worked quite as we had hoped in it's current > > form. > > > > It has been suggested by members of the web team that as the new site > > has been setup on a dedicated VM and has been properly integrated with > > the rest of our online infrastructure (unlike the current developer > > wiki which is basically a quick 'n' dirty install on an already > > over-utilised VM), that we should consider moving the developer wiki > > into a dedicated area on it. > > > > Any thoughts on whether thats a good or bad idea? Any objections? > > Not an objection but an observation. The developer wiki seems to be a > catchall for contributors to put various stuff on. There is patch > status, advocacy policies, release policies etc... > > Based on your description of wiki.postgresql.org it is supposed to be > a replacement for techdocs. > > To me, they have different purposes. Well, we could just add a link to a subsection that does those things, no? //Magnus
Dave, > Any thoughts on whether thats a good or bad idea? Any objections? Well, other than not breaking developer.postgresql.org links, sounds fine to me. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > It has been suggested by members of the web team that as the new site
> > has been setup on a dedicated VM and has been properly integrated with
> > the rest of our online infrastructure (unlike the current developer
> > wiki which is basically a quick 'n' dirty install on an already
> > over-utilised VM), that we should consider moving the developer wiki
> > into a dedicated area on it.
>
> Not an objection but an observation. The developer wiki seems to be a
> catchall for contributors to put various stuff on. There is patch
> status, advocacy policies, release policies etc...
The developer's wiki was the developer's wiki until other people noticed
that they had no wiki so they started using the developer's wiki as a
catchall place ("hey, we advocates have nowhere to wiki on; can we use
devel's wiki?"). Now that we have a real wiki it makes sense to create
separate areas on it for each team.
That said, we have links to the developer wiki all over the web.
So +1 on moving the developer's wiki to the other one -- but only if the
original URLs continue to work (redirecting to the new site).
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:43:47 +0100 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > > Based on your description of wiki.postgresql.org it is supposed to > > be a replacement for techdocs. > > > > To me, they have different purposes. > > Well, we could just add a link to a subsection that does those > things, no? Like I said just observation. I like things compartmentalized but there is also certainly an argument for redundant resources etc... Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2Bo0ATb/zqfZUUQRAl9/AKCPdHUt+Deut+rvBPPIDUnWAMW1rgCgqkCb pdk7qXtIyAmZqd00cNeJn1k= =3HeX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Like I said just observation. I like things compartmentalized but there > is also certainly an argument for redundant resources etc... Are you saying that you want to keep postgresqldocs.org around? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:08:26 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Like I said just observation. I like things compartmentalized but > > there is also certainly an argument for redundant resources etc... > > Are you saying that you want to keep postgresqldocs.org around? > That actually isn't my decision. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2BycATb/zqfZUUQRAs2kAJ91xt4zNB+UuPYAIEulzoGN2npfjwCfZ8vj QT2+1/GssIaueGFMwGlEnc4= =gBt4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > That said, we have links to the developer wiki all over the web. > So +1 on moving the developer's wiki to the other one -- but only if the > original URLs continue to work (redirecting to the new site). While the default URL formatting on the new wiki is different, it still supports the same one used on the developer's wiki. You can hit the front page with http://wiki.postgresql.org/index.php/Main_Page same way the URL for the front of the developer's wiki is http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php/Main_Page If all the pages get moved over with the same names (which doesn't seem like it would be a problem), just changing developer.postgresql.org to point to wiki.postgresql would seem to be sufficient to keep any existing links working. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Are you saying that you want to keep postgresqldocs.org around? One thing at a time. The new PG wiki looks great, seems like the next task is to consider merging the developer's content into there. I was hoping to propose a plan for merging work done on postgresqldocs.org into the new infrastructure in a couple of days, after things settle down a bit. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> writes:
> If all the pages get moved over with the same names (which doesn't seem
> like it would be a problem), just changing developer.postgresql.org to
> point to wiki.postgresql would seem to be sufficient to keep any existing
> links working.
That's not exactly what I'd call "keeping existing links working".
regards, tom lane
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:51:06 -0400 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> writes: > > If all the pages get moved over with the same names (which doesn't > > seem like it would be a problem), just changing > > developer.postgresql.org to point to wiki.postgresql would seem to > > be sufficient to keep any existing links working. > > That's not exactly what I'd call "keeping existing links working". It is if we point developer. to wiki. Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2Cb6ATb/zqfZUUQRAkf+AJsEYgfwL2xrJX/oY6airl9qfIkHMACfbH+S B93fNw8mZZsx0FmJ/AF3di4= =qaHx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dave Page wrote: > As you may have noticed > (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2008-03/msg00470.php) we > now have a wiki at wiki.postgresql.org that is replacing techdocs Victory! :) > It has been suggested by members of the web team that as the new site > has been setup on a dedicated VM and has been properly integrated with > the rest of our online infrastructure (unlike the current developer > wiki which is basically a quick 'n' dirty install on an already > over-utilised VM), that we should consider moving the developer wiki > into a dedicated area on it. Yes, please. One wiki should be enough. A bit of accidental crossover between users, developers, and other groups could even be of advantage.
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:
> Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> That's not exactly what I'd call "keeping existing links working".
> It is if we point developer. to wiki.
Will that break anything else (ie, is that webserver serving anything
but the wiki)?
regards, tom lane
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes: > > Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > >> That's not exactly what I'd call "keeping existing links working". > > > It is if we point developer. to wiki. > > Will that break anything else (ie, is that webserver serving anything > but the wiki)? No, thats one of the reasons why I'd like to move developer - this one is not just on a dedicated apache instance, but a dedicated VM. I don't see any reason why what Greg & Josh are suggesting couldn't work - it's roughly what I had in mind anyway, except that we'd have to use a URL rewrite on developer to get it to redirect requests to wiki, as that hostname is used for other things so hijacking DNS doesn't sound sensible. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk