Обсуждение: Re: Fwd: Stalled post to pgsql-general
Have you looked at the available ODBC drivers? On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil Tilwani wrote: > help > Hi, > > I am a fresh graduate from India in commerce and do > know a little about programming using VB, Java and > Oracle... I, along with 5 more friends, have received > a small-time project (small for u guys, major for us) > for developing a small application > > We are considering one of the foll.options > A. Totally Linux > a. Only option is using Swings and Postgres/MySQL > Though this would technically be the best option... > But, in India, it is like only Windows is the > well-known client-side operating system > > B. Norma for Indian > a. Linux Server and Windows client > b. Windows Server and Windows client > > Here, my problem is a very simple one... I need to > put my Postgres on a Windows server (this is > optional... I can convince my project-giver to go in > for a Linux server) ... > However, I have a problem in that at least my clients > would all be Windows-based... So, how do I install the > clients... Can I get some kind of wizarded- .exe file > for that... and where? > Also, how do I make the connection between the Windows > Server and the client... How do I specify... please > could u send details rather than a quick overview ... > It would be highly appreciative > Lastly, is it possible to have a Linux as a server and > the Windows clients interacting with this server... > and pleaaaaaaseeeee plz tell me how to do that... If > possible, please be descriptive and help me to do > that... > > All I can say is that I will pay back to the community > all the favours and more... PLEASE HELP... YOU CAN > NOT REALLY MAKE OUT HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS BECOMING > > Also, could u just give me yr unofficial comments on > Interbase... Is it good enough? ...or MySQL for that > matter? > > Are there any free downloadable development packages > for Postgres and Java... Something better than Forte > for Java > > Thanx > Kapil > > P.S. : Where am I reqd. to post my queries related to > Postgres, Java , Interbase... > > > --- The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > > could you resend the original? I tried to read > > through what you tried to > > post, and couldn't get past line one before it got > > all jumbled :( > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil Tilwani > > wrote: > > > > > help > > > > > > As per the advice of Mr. Bruce M. , I sent my mail > > to > > > pgsql-general@postgresql.org and > > > majordomo@postgresql.org, but every mail is > > bouncing > > > back... Please help > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > > > One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + > > Security !! > > > > > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 > > IRC Nick: Scrappy > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: > > scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > ===== > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + Security !! > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
I was asked to develop a reasonably large database application for my company intranet. My boss comes from a heavily windows background and wanted it all developed in MS Access etc but we're basically a UNIX house and I knew that would cause havoc with the software developers around here (and myself) who much prefer the UNIX way of doing things (and oftentimes run Linux as their Desktop OS). What did I do? I developed the application using a PostgreSQL backend with a web interface (I used Perl for rapid development, but would have preferred Java Servlets), and then used the ODBC drivers to connect Access to allow MSOffice automation and custom queries within Access so the boss can create his custom reports if he likes. Now I have the best of all worlds: Reliable backend (PostgreSQL), a platform neutral frontend (Web Interface) and Office automation through ODBC. Works for me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hermit Hacker" <scrappy@hub.org> To: "Kapil Tilwani" <tilwani@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Stalled post to pgsql-general > > Have you looked at the available ODBC drivers? > > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil Tilwani wrote: > > > help > > Hi, > > > > I am a fresh graduate from India in commerce and do > > know a little about programming using VB, Java and > > Oracle... I, along with 5 more friends, have received > > a small-time project (small for u guys, major for us) > > for developing a small application > > > > We are considering one of the foll.options > > A. Totally Linux > > a. Only option is using Swings and Postgres/MySQL > > Though this would technically be the best option... > > But, in India, it is like only Windows is the > > well-known client-side operating system > > > > B. Norma for Indian > > a. Linux Server and Windows client > > b. Windows Server and Windows client > > > > Here, my problem is a very simple one... I need to > > put my Postgres on a Windows server (this is > > optional... I can convince my project-giver to go in > > for a Linux server) ... > > However, I have a problem in that at least my clients > > would all be Windows-based... So, how do I install the > > clients... Can I get some kind of wizarded- .exe file > > for that... and where? > > Also, how do I make the connection between the Windows > > Server and the client... How do I specify... please > > could u send details rather than a quick overview ... > > It would be highly appreciative > > Lastly, is it possible to have a Linux as a server and > > the Windows clients interacting with this server... > > and pleaaaaaaseeeee plz tell me how to do that... If > > possible, please be descriptive and help me to do > > that... > > > > All I can say is that I will pay back to the community > > all the favours and more... PLEASE HELP... YOU CAN > > NOT REALLY MAKE OUT HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS BECOMING > > > > Also, could u just give me yr unofficial comments on > > Interbase... Is it good enough? ...or MySQL for that > > matter? > > > > Are there any free downloadable development packages > > for Postgres and Java... Something better than Forte > > for Java > > > > Thanx > > Kapil > > > > P.S. : Where am I reqd. to post my queries related to > > Postgres, Java , Interbase... > > > > > > --- The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > > > could you resend the original? I tried to read > > > through what you tried to > > > post, and couldn't get past line one before it got > > > all jumbled :( > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil Tilwani > > > wrote: > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > As per the advice of Mr. Bruce M. , I sent my mail > > > to > > > > pgsql-general@postgresql.org and > > > > majordomo@postgresql.org, but every mail is > > > bouncing > > > > back... Please help > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > > > > One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + > > > Security !! > > > > > > > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > > > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > > > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 > > > IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: > > > scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > > One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + Security !! > > > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org >
help Hi, It would work fine to have a web interface in case the application could be developed with that... In fact, we had started working on the project with PG and Java Servlets et al... However, we ran into problems after a month of designing and actual implementaiton work was over only because the browser / HTML is too static... a. Extensive coding is reqd. for datatypes validations on all forms and reports for filtering, etc. b. Added functionality would result in havoc for adding features like Grids as in MS-Access like forms-subforms and browsing thru such records in order c. Non-use of client-side processing capacity i.e., under-utilisation and over-burdening the server which would in case of client-server be just handling data which would make it much more reliable d. The client would not shell out a single penny when I tell him that two servers would be ideal for him... One for handling data the other for handling http requests e. Moving away from Windows is impossible fof him... He has not heard that there is any other OS other than Windows f. The client is not a jackass... I cant conn him... He knows what all he wants in his software g. I am keen on PG/Interbase h. I KNOW YOU CAN HELP... SO, KINDLY DO i. This MS-Office interface you are talking about... That would involve a lot of wizardry/programming... Thanx Kapil --- Mark Cowlishaw <markc@ot.com.au> wrote: > > I was asked to develop a reasonably large database > application for my > company intranet. My boss comes from a heavily > windows background and wanted > it all developed in MS Access etc but we're > basically a UNIX house and I > knew that would cause havoc with the software > developers around here (and > myself) who much prefer the UNIX way of doing things > (and oftentimes run > Linux as their Desktop OS). > > What did I do? I developed the application using a > PostgreSQL backend with a > web interface (I used Perl for rapid development, > but would have preferred > Java Servlets), and then used the ODBC drivers to > connect Access to allow > MSOffice automation and custom queries within Access > so the boss can create > his custom reports if he likes. Now I have the best > of all worlds: Reliable > backend (PostgreSQL), a platform neutral frontend > (Web Interface) and Office > automation through ODBC. > > Works for me! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Hermit Hacker" <scrappy@hub.org> > To: "Kapil Tilwani" <tilwani@yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:54 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Stalled post to pgsql-general > > > > > > Have you looked at the available ODBC drivers? > > > > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil Tilwani > wrote: > > > > > help > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am a fresh graduate from India in commerce and > do > > > know a little about programming using VB, Java > and > > > Oracle... I, along with 5 more friends, have > received > > > a small-time project (small for u guys, major > for us) > > > for developing a small application > > > > > > We are considering one of the foll.options > > > A. Totally Linux > > > a. Only option is using Swings and > Postgres/MySQL > > > Though this would technically be the best > option... > > > But, in India, it is like only Windows is the > > > well-known client-side operating system > > > > > > B. Norma for Indian > > > a. Linux Server and Windows client > > > b. Windows Server and Windows client > > > > > > Here, my problem is a very simple one... I need > to > > > put my Postgres on a Windows server (this is > > > optional... I can convince my project-giver to > go in > > > for a Linux server) ... > > > However, I have a problem in that at least my > clients > > > would all be Windows-based... So, how do I > install the > > > clients... Can I get some kind of wizarded- .exe > file > > > for that... and where? > > > Also, how do I make the connection between the > Windows > > > Server and the client... How do I specify... > please > > > could u send details rather than a quick > overview ... > > > It would be highly appreciative > > > Lastly, is it possible to have a Linux as a > server and > > > the Windows clients interacting with this > server... > > > and pleaaaaaaseeeee plz tell me how to do > that... If > > > possible, please be descriptive and help me to > do > > > that... > > > > > > All I can say is that I will pay back to the > community > > > all the favours and more... PLEASE HELP... YOU > CAN > > > NOT REALLY MAKE OUT HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS > BECOMING > > > > > > Also, could u just give me yr unofficial > comments on > > > Interbase... Is it good enough? ...or MySQL for > that > > > matter? > > > > > > Are there any free downloadable development > packages > > > for Postgres and Java... Something better than > Forte > > > for Java > > > > > > Thanx > > > Kapil > > > > > > P.S. : Where am I reqd. to post my queries > related to > > > Postgres, Java , Interbase... > > > > > > > > > --- The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > > > > could you resend the original? I tried to > read > > > > through what you tried to > > > > post, and couldn't get past line one before it > got > > > > all jumbled :( > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Kapil > Tilwani > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > As per the advice of Mr. Bruce M. , I sent > my mail > > > > to > > > > > pgsql-general@postgresql.org and > > > > > majordomo@postgresql.org, but every mail is > > > > bouncing > > > > > back... Please help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > > > > > One Life One Partner - One Result = > Happiness + > > > > Security !! > > > > > > > > > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > > > > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > > > > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 > > > > IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: > > > > scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! > > > One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + > Security !! > > > > > > From Kapil C. Tilwani > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 > IRC Nick: > Scrappy > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: > scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > ===== Better Late than Never - Drive Safely...!! One Life One Partner - One Result = Happiness + Security !! From Kapil C. Tilwani ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
> help > Hi, > It would work fine to have a web interface in case the > application could be developed with that... In fact, > we had started working on the project with PG and Java > Servlets et al... However, we ran into problems after > a month of designing and actual implementaiton work > was over only because the browser / HTML is too > static... > a. Extensive coding is reqd. for datatypes > validations on all forms and reports for filtering, > etc. True you have to do server-side validation, but then if you're sensible you'll be doing that anyway regardless of your client side validation (what about when people turn javascript off for example?). > b. Added functionality would result in havoc for > adding features like Grids as in MS-Access like > forms-subforms and browsing thru such records in order > Yup, HTML forms are a bit lacking in that regard.. you may consider java applets running in the browser for that kind of functionality, or maybe some DHTML.. > c. Non-use of client-side processing capacity i.e., > under-utilisation and over-burdening the server which > would in case of client-server be just handling data > which would make it much more reliable This is questionable, dynamic clients such as an Access/VB front-end talking to a SQL backend will probably be running a LOT of queries dynamically datafilling drop-down menus etc, plus you've got the network overhead you wouldnt have when running the application code on the same box as the SQL server. > d. The client would not shell out a single penny when > I tell him that two servers would be ideal for him... > One for handling data the other for handling http > requests Why need two servers? Apache (or PostgreSQL) doesn't take that much overhead. If they expect so much traffic they need two servers, surely they expect to spend some money somewhere?! > e. Moving away from Windows is impossible fof him... > He has not heard that there is any other OS other than > Windows Okay if they have a windows fixation, Access/VB Frontend tied in with ODBC is a possibility. But then, I dont think the web interface is completely ruled out by your arguments. Alternatively there's always the java application frontend (or applets running in a browser). > f. The client is not a jackass... I cant conn him... > He knows what all he wants in his software Well he has a pre-formed opinion that the solution -will-be-windows- .. whatever that means. Give him an Access Frontend if that will make him happy. Making bosses happy can be a good thing and you can do worse than Access for a rapid development environment. > g. I am keen on PG/Interbase PG works for me. Can't say I have experience with Interbase. > h. I KNOW YOU CAN HELP... SO, KINDLY DO Well you have to do -some- work yourself ;-) > i. This MS-Office interface you are talking about... > That would involve a lot of wizardry/programming... Installing the ODBC drivers does not take wizardry, nor does figuring out table linking in Access, nor mail merging in Word.