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I tried sending this yesterday with the PDF attached, but I haven't seen it show up on the list. This is the same email sans attachment. --- I was feeling particularly organizational today and redrew one of the figures from the documentation. In the PostgreSQL 7.3 PDF documentation, it's the System Catalogs Diagram, or Figure 3. The major POSTGRES system catalogs. I reproduced what was there, though I moved some of the relations around to make the diagram a little clearer, I think. I haven't checked it against what's written in the 7.4 documentation, as I know the system catalogs change every once in a while. If this is something you'd like, but changes need to be made (or if I've just messed something up), I'll go ahead and make them. I've attached a PDF, though if you'd like a different format I can convert it. I can't tell if it's included in the 7.4 documentation—I couldn't find it. If you don't need it, no big deal, but I thought I'd offer. Michael grzm myrealbox com
Michael Glaesemann <grzm@myrealbox.com> writes:
> I was feeling particularly organizational today and redrew one of the
> figures from the documentation. In the PostgreSQL 7.3 PDF
> documentation, it's the System Catalogs Diagram, or Figure 3. The major
> POSTGRES system catalogs.
Peter just removed all those figures because they were so out-of-date as
to be useless. If you redrew from the figure rather than from looking
at the actual catalogs documentation, I fear your version is too :-(.
I'd be interested in having a nice figure to document the catalog
relationships, but it has to be something that can be maintained over
time. The reason the old figures got so out-of-date is that no current
maintainer understood the tools they were generated with. So if you
want to submit something, I'd ask that it be generated with open-source
tools and that it come with an explanation of how to modify and
regenerate it. Within those ground rules, go to it ...
regards, tom lane
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 12:16 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > Michael Glaesemann <grzm@myrealbox.com> writes: >> I was feeling particularly organizational today and redrew one of the >> figures from the documentation. In the PostgreSQL 7.3 PDF >> documentation, it's the System Catalogs Diagram, or Figure 3. The >> major >> POSTGRES system catalogs. > > Peter just removed all those figures because they were so out-of-date > as > to be useless. If you redrew from the figure rather than from looking > at the actual catalogs documentation, I fear your version is too :-(. I guessed that was the case. However, it's easier to change once I've got the data than starting from scratch. > So if you want to submit something, I'd ask that it be generated with > open-source > tools and that it come with an explanation of how to modify and > regenerate it. Well, looks like I'm 0-2. I used InDesign, which is a *long* way from open source. I can definitely understand that being able to maintain it is a virtue. If you'd like to include an up-to-date version, knowing you might have to throw it out at a later date when it gets too old to be useful, I'm willing to make the changes. I'm not familiar enough with open source graphic design tools to know what to use. :( Might something be better than nothing? I know it's not the best situation, but the offer's still good. Michael grzm myrealbox com
Michael Glaesemann writes: > Well, looks like I'm 0-2. I used InDesign, which is a *long* way from > open source. I can definitely understand that being able to maintain it > is a virtue. If you'd like to include an up-to-date version, knowing > you might have to throw it out at a later date when it gets too old to > be useful, I'm willing to make the changes. I'm not familiar enough > with open source graphic design tools to know what to use. :( We're not going to make any major changes in the 7.4 documentation anyway at this point, so you don't have to feel rushed. I don't mind including graphics, but there needs to be a maintenance path. SVG might be something to try. You could even create a simpler catalog description file in an ad-hoc XML format and then create the SVG automatically. By the way, when done well, pictures like the catalog layout, the backend flow chart, or a graphical representation of a query plan also make nice posters. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net
Michael, > Well, looks like I'm 0-2. I used InDesign, which is a *long* way from > open source. I can definitely understand that being able to maintain it > is a virtue. If you'd like to include an up-to-date version, knowing > you might have to throw it out at a later date when it gets too old to > be useful, I'm willing to make the changes. I'm not familiar enough > with open source graphic design tools to know what to use. :( OpenOffice.org draw is easy to use & understand and generates both PDF and XML. Not terribly sophisticated, but OSS and widely cross platform. If you want a better drawing tool, try KDE's Kontour. > Might something be better than nothing? I know it's not the best > situation, but the offer's still good. I think Elein would be happy to host it on General Bits while we work on re-inventing Techdocs. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Tom Lane wrote:
> Michael Glaesemann <grzm@myrealbox.com> writes:
> > I was feeling particularly organizational today and redrew one of the
> > figures from the documentation. In the PostgreSQL 7.3 PDF
> > documentation, it's the System Catalogs Diagram, or Figure 3. The major
> > POSTGRES system catalogs.
>
> Peter just removed all those figures because they were so out-of-date as
> to be useless. If you redrew from the figure rather than from looking
> at the actual catalogs documentation, I fear your version is too :-(.
>
> I'd be interested in having a nice figure to document the catalog
> relationships, but it has to be something that can be maintained over
> time. The reason the old figures got so out-of-date is that no current
> maintainer understood the tools they were generated with. So if you
> want to submit something, I'd ask that it be generated with open-source
> tools and that it come with an explanation of how to modify and
> regenerate it. Within those ground rules, go to it ...
My performance tuning PDF has a system table chart written using xfig so
it has almost infinite resolution:
http://candle.pha.pa.us/main/writings/pgsql/performance.pdf
It is the second to last slide.
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On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 01:16 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > I don't mind including graphics, but there needs to be a maintenance > path. SVG might be something to try. You could even create a simpler > catalog description > file in an ad-hoc XML format and then create the SVG automatically. InDesign does have an SVG export option. I haven't done anything with it, and it's something I'll look into. > By the way, when done well, pictures like the catalog layout, the > backend > flow chart, or a graphical representation of a query plan also make > nice > posters. Now there's a thought. The docs might be pretty much taken care of, but when's your next presentation? :) On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 06:08 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > OpenOffice.org draw is easy to use & understand and generates both PDF > and > XML. Not terribly sophisticated, but OSS and widely cross platform. > If you > want a better drawing tool, try KDE's Kontour. <snip/> > I think Elein would be happy to host it on General Bits while we work > on > re-inventing Techdocs. Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know once I've updated the diagram to match what's in 7.4. On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:53 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My performance tuning PDF has a system table chart written using xfig > so > it has almost infinite resolution: > > http://candle.pha.pa.us/main/writings/pgsql/performance.pdf > > It is the second to last slide. Thanks, Josh and Bruce, for alternative apps. I'll take a look! Michael grzm myrealbox com
Guys, > > By the way, when done well, pictures like the catalog layout, the > > backend > > flow chart, or a graphical representation of a query plan also make > > nice > > posters. > > Now there's a thought. The docs might be pretty much taken care of, but > when's your next presentation? :) That's a *great* idea. I smell PostgreSQL benefit merchandise here. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Michael Glaesemann writes: > > By the way, when done well, pictures like the catalog layout, the > > backend > > flow chart, or a graphical representation of a query plan also make > > nice > > posters. > > Now there's a thought. The docs might be pretty much taken care of, but > when's your next presentation? :) I already have posters like that. I'm just saying, keep that application in mind when you make new pictures. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net