Re: Leftover processes on shutdown - Debian+JDBC

The difference is that in the Debian distribution, the equivalent of
/etc/rc.d/rc?.d/postgresql doesn't use pg_ctl for shutdown, but I'm going to
try that modification on one of our development boxes, & I'm hopeful that it
will work.

I'll report back to the list if it works.

-Nick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@installs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:05 AM
> To: nickf@ontko.com
> Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
> Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Leftover processes on shutdown - Debian+JDBC
>
>
> Actually, I'm doing this on RedHat 7.2 but the concept is the same.  If
> Debian is using /etc/rc.d/rc?.d/postgresql as it's start and stop
> script, then you should be able to modify that directly.  Actually,
> Postgres 7.2.1 comes with an example script that I used but I just made
> the change to add the '-m immediate' to the thing.
>
> I did this for two reasons.  One, during shutdown, the database would
> not be down before the machine rebooted, causing all kinds of
> consternation and tomcat would hold up the shutdown of the DB for our
> nightly maintenance.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, 2002-08-13 at 11:55, Nick Fankhauser wrote:
> > Bob-
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion!
> >
> > Did you implement this in a Debian Linux environment?
> >
> > One of my dillemas is that Debian has a nice (but sometimes limiting)
> > utility called "start-stop-daemon" that is used for shutdown in
> the Debian
> > postgresql package, so I think modifying the shutdown script
> will involve
> > more than just adding the "-m immediate" switch in the script.
> >
> > On the other hand, it looks like pg_ctl functions in a similar
> role, so it
> > may be possible to just substitute one utility for the other. If you did
> > this in Debian, I'd like to know if you were able to make a simple
> > substitution.
> >
> > If it works well, we should suggest the change to Oliver Elphick for the
> > next Debian package release.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert M. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@installs.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:26 AM
> > > To: nickf@ontko.com
> > > Cc: pgsql-jdbc; pgsql-admin
> > > Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Leftover processes on shutdown - Debian+JDBC
> > >
> > >
> > > I had the same problem.  I rewrote my shutdown script to call
> 'pg_ctl -m
> > > immediate'.  So far, I haven't seen any damage because of it and we
> > > always restart tomcat at some point in the middle of the
> night, anyway.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps...
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2002-08-13 at 11:09, Nick Fankhauser wrote:
> > > > Hi-
> > > >
> > > > I've run across a problem that has a simple workaround, but I
> > > wonder if it
> > > > indicates a problem that needs fixing on the postgresql server end.
> > > > Alternately, it may be considered a feature by some...
> > > >
> > > > My environment is PostgreSQL 7.2.1 on Debian Linux 2.4. On the
> > > client side,
> > > > I have Tomcat accessing the database using the 7.2 PostgreSQL
> > > JDBC Driver.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that if I attempt to do a PostgreSQL shutdown
> > > while tomcat
> > > > still has connections open, the backend processes that have
> > > been spawned to
> > > > serve tomcat don't go away. This surprises me because they
> are owned by
> > > > postgres & hence it seems as if they should be stopped as well.
> > > >
> > > > The simple workaround is to make sure that I shutdown
> tomcat & make the
> > > > client connections go away first. This is a sensible procedure
> > > anyway, so it
> > > > isn't a serious problem.
> > > >
> > > > Since this involves the start/stop script, I suppose it may be
> > > > Debian-specific. It also involves the JDBC driver, but I'm
> guessing that
> > > > this behavior could occur with other client connections.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried to make the same thing happen by leaving a
> psql connection
> > > > open, but the shutdown is complete in that case, and
> attempting further
> > > > access through the psql client results in an informative
> error message &
> > > > then a connection reset, so in the case of psql, the situation
> > > is handled
> > > > gracefully.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is the error message:
> > > >
> > > > morgai:/data1/postgresql# /etc/init.d/postgresql restart
> > > > Restarting PostgreSQL database: postmaster
> > > > Stopped /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postmaster (pid 321 323 324
> > > 5465 5466 5470
> > > > 5471 5472 5473 5474 5475 5476 5477).
> > > > Starting PostgreSQL postmaster.
> > > > pg_ctl: Another postmaster may be running.  Trying to start
> postmaster
> > > > anyway.
> > > > pg_ctl: cannot start postmaster
> > > > Examine the log output.
> > > >
> > > > -Nick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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