2013/1/3 Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>:
> * Robert Haas (robertmhaas@gmail.com) wrote:
>> Well, IMHO, there is no need for any syntax change at all. CREATE
>> TABLE and CREATE DATABASE should just record the creation time
>> somewhere, and that's all. If you dump-and-reload, the creation time
>> changes. Deal with it, or hack your catalogs if you really care that
>> much.
>
> I'd be alright with this also, tbh. Not preserving such information
> across pg_dump's wouldn't really be all *that* much of a loss.
>
> As for hacking at the catalogs, I do find that a rather terrible
> recommendation, ever. I'm currently trying to convince people at $work
> that hacking at pg_database to modify datallowconns is really not a
> good or ideal solution (and requires a lot more people to have
> superuser rights than really should, which is practically no one, imo).
> Annoyingly, we don't seem to have a way to ALTER DATABASE to set that
> value, although I *think* 'connection limit = 0' might be good enough.
>
>> I find the suggestion of using event triggers for this to miss the
>> point almost completely. At least in my case, the time when you
>> really wish you had some timestamps is when you get dropped into a
>> customer environment and need to do forensics. The customer will not
>> have installed the convenient package of event triggers at database
>> bootstrap time. Their environment will likely be poorly configured
>> and completely undocumented; that's why you're doing forensics, isn't
>> it?
>
> Exactly, that's what I was trying to get at upstream.
>
>> I know this has been discussed and rejected before, but I find that
>> rejection to be wrong-headed. I have repeatedly been asked, with
>> levels of exasperation ranging from mild to homicidal, why we don't
>> have this feature, and I have no good answer. If it were somehow
>> difficult to record this or likely to produce a lot of overhead, that
>> would be one thing. But it isn't. It's probably a hundred-line
>> patch, and AFAICS the overhead would be miniscule.
>
> +1
+1
yes, this task can be simply solved by EVENT TRIGGERS, but native
implementation can carry some unification - and time of creation is
basic attribute that I would to see everywhere. And I am not alone
regards
Pavel Stehule
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephen