On 2024-06-13 Th 17:23, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 4:54 PM Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> wrote:
>> FTR, I have put a lot of effort into maintaining and improving the
>> infrastructure over the years. And I don't think there is anything much
>> more important. So I'm going to put more effort in. And I'm not alone.
>> Andres, Alvaro, Noah and Thomas are some of those who have spent a lot
>> of effort on extending and improving our testing.
> I appreciate the work you've done, and the work others have done, and
> I'm sorry if my comments about the state of the project's
> infrastructure came across as a personal attack. Some of what is wrong
> here is completely outside of our control e.g. Perl is less popular.
> And even there, some people have done heroic work, like Noah stepping
> up to help maintain IPC::Run. And even with the stuff that is under
> our control, it's not that I don't like what you're doing. It's rather
> that I think we need more people doing it. For example, the fact that
> nobody's helping Thomas maintain this cfbot that we all have come to
> rely on, or helping him get that integrated into
> commitfest.postgresql.org, is a problem. You're not on the hook to do
> that, nor is anyone else. Likewise, the PostgreSQL::Test::whatever
> modules are mostly evolving when it's absolutely necessary to get some
> other patch committed, rather than anyone looking to improve them very
> much for their own sake. Maybe part of the problem, as Greg said, is
> that we don't do a good enough job advertising what the problems are
> or how people can help, but whatever the cause, it's not a very
> enjoyable experience, at least for me.
>
> But again, I don't blame you for any of that. You're clearly a big
> part of why it's going as well as it is!
>
Thank you, I'm not offended by anything you or anyone else has said.
Clearly there are areas we can improve, and we need to be somewhat more
proactive about it.
cheers
andrew
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