Обсуждение: \COPY to accept non UTF-8 chars in CHAR columns
Hello,
We're moving databases from Sybase/Oracle to PostgreSQL 11.4 by
unloading them with our own tool into a CSV like format and loading the
rows with \COPY. One can imagine that in old databases, in use for
a longer time, you will find any sort of dust which should not be there, for
example ISO-8859-1 chars while the CHAR column should be in UTF-8. Needless
to say, this data should not be there, it is just a fact, in parts
caused by foreign data loaded into the Sybase/Oracle database, sometimes
our own Java- or Perl-written software, breaks a longer CHAR column into
two sequential rows (with an INT column to note the order), but does
the break in the middle of an UTF-8 multi-byte, clumsy. :-(
In short, it there a way to let \COPY accept such broken ISO bytes, just
complaining about, but not stopping the insert of the row?
Thanks
matthias
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Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> writes:
> In short, it there a way to let \COPY accept such broken ISO bytes, just
> complaining about, but not stopping the insert of the row?
No. We don't particularly believe in the utility of invalid data.
If you don't actually care about what encoding your data is in,
you could use SQL_ASCII as the database "encoding" and thereby
disable all UTF8-specific behavior. Otherwise, maybe this conversion
is a good time to clean up the mess?
regards, tom lane
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 4:46 AM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> writes: > > In short, it there a way to let \COPY accept such broken ISO bytes, just > > complaining about, but not stopping the insert of the row? > > No. We don't particularly believe in the utility of invalid data. > > If you don't actually care about what encoding your data is in, > you could use SQL_ASCII as the database "encoding" and thereby > disable all UTF8-specific behavior. Otherwise, maybe this conversion > is a good time to clean up the mess? Something like this approach might be useful for fixing the CSV file: https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/185821/convert-a-mix-of-latin-1-and-utf-8-to-proper-utf-8 I haven't tested that program but it looks like the right sort of approach; I remember writing similar logic to untangle the strange mixtures of Latin 1, Windows 1252, and UTF-8 that late 90s browsers used to send. That sort of approach can't fix every theoretical problem (some valid Latin1 sequences are also valid UTF-8 sequences) but it's doable with text in European languages.
>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com> writes: Thomas> Something like this approach might be useful for fixing the CSV file: Thomas> https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/185821/convert-a-mix-of-latin-1-and-utf-8-to-proper-utf-8 Or: perl -MEncode -pe ' use bytes; sub c { decode("UTF-8",shift,sub { decode("windows-1252", chr(shift)) }); } s/([\x80-\xFF]+)/encode("UTF-8",c($1))/eg' <infile >outfile -- Andrew (irc:RhodiumToad)
On 27/03/20, Andrew Gierth (andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk) wrote: > >>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com> writes: > > Thomas> Something like this approach might be useful for fixing the CSV file: > > Thomas> https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/185821/convert-a-mix-of-latin-1-and-utf-8-to-proper-utf-8 > > Or: > > perl -MEncode -pe ' > use bytes; > sub c { decode("UTF-8",shift,sub { decode("windows-1252", chr(shift)) }); } > s/([\x80-\xFF]+)/encode("UTF-8",c($1))/eg' <infile >outfile Or: iconv -f WINDOWS-1252 -t UTF-8 -c < tempfile2 > tempfile3
>>>>> "Rory" == Rory Campbell-Lange <rory@campbell-lange.net> writes: Rory> Or: Rory> iconv -f WINDOWS-1252 -t UTF-8 -c < tempfile2 > tempfile3 No. That's just a conversion of win1252 to utf8 without regard for any UTF8 that might already be present in the input. Any such input will end up double-encoded, requiring further work to fix. -- Andrew (irc:RhodiumToad)
On 27/03/20, Andrew Gierth (andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk) wrote: > >>>>> "Rory" == Rory Campbell-Lange <rory@campbell-lange.net> writes: > > Rory> Or: > > Rory> iconv -f WINDOWS-1252 -t UTF-8 -c < tempfile2 > tempfile3 > > No. That's just a conversion of win1252 to utf8 without regard for any > UTF8 that might already be present in the input. Any such input will end > up double-encoded, requiring further work to fix. My apologies. I missed the subtlety of the substitution in your perl code.
El día sábado, marzo 28, 2020 a las 09:40:30a. m. +1300, Thomas Munro escribió: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 4:46 AM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> writes: > > > In short, it there a way to let \COPY accept such broken ISO bytes, just > > > complaining about, but not stopping the insert of the row? > > > > No. We don't particularly believe in the utility of invalid data. > > > > If you don't actually care about what encoding your data is in, > > you could use SQL_ASCII as the database "encoding" and thereby > > disable all UTF8-specific behavior. Otherwise, maybe this conversion > > is a good time to clean up the mess? > > Something like this approach might be useful for fixing the CSV file: > > https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/185821/convert-a-mix-of-latin-1-and-utf-8-to-proper-utf-8 > > I haven't tested that program but it looks like the right sort of > approach; I remember writing similar logic to untangle the strange > mixtures of Latin 1, Windows 1252, and UTF-8 that late 90s browsers > used to send. That sort of approach can't fix every theoretical > problem (some valid Latin1 sequences are also valid UTF-8 sequences) > but it's doable with text in European languages. Thomas, This is a very good finding, thanks for this. I played around a bit with the original code, and tested some modifications to fit better in our problem... It works fine: - it translates any ISO char, for example 0xfc (German Umlaut ü in ISO), into the correct UTF-8 coding 0xc3bc: perl -e 'print pack("H*", "4040fc4040")' | ./convert2properUTF8 | hexdump -C 00000000 40 40 c3 bc 40 40 |@@..@@| 00000006 - it translates a situation where 0xc3bc (German Umlaut ü in UTF-8 coding) was broken into two columns, one terminating in 0xc3 and the 2nd row starting with 0xbc; this would give: perl -e 'print pack("H*", "c3")' | ./convert2properUTF8 | hexdump -C 00000000 c3 83 |..| 00000002 perl -e 'print pack("H*", "bc40")' | ./convert2properUTF8 | hexdump -C 00000000 c2 bc 40 |..@| 00000003 i.e. 0xc3 is translated to 0xc383 and the 2nd half, the 0xbc to 0xc2bc, both translations have nothing to do with the original split 0xc3bc, and perhaps in this case it would be better to spill out a blank 0x40 for each of the bytes which formed the 0xc3bc. But this we will discuss here and align the code to our use cases. Thanks again matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub
>>>>> "Matthias" == Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> writes: Matthias> i.e. 0xc3 is translated to 0xc383 and the 2nd half, the Matthias> 0xbc to 0xc2bc, both translations have nothing to do with Matthias> the original split 0xc3bc, and perhaps in this case it Matthias> would be better to spill out a blank 0x40 for each of the Matthias> bytes which formed the 0xc3bc. If the only malformed sequences are there as a result of splitting up valid sequences, then you could do something like convert all invalid sequences to (sequences of) noncharacters, then once the data is imported, fix it up by adjusting how the data is split and regenerating the correct sequence (assuming your application allows this). For example you could encode an arbitrary byte xy as a sequence of two codepoints U+FDDx U+FDEy (the range FDD0-FDEF are all defined as noncharacters). -- Andrew (irc:RhodiumToad)