Обсуждение: UNSUBSCRIBE
UNSUBSCRIBE
Shoaib Burq wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE To unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=unsub%20pgsql-performance> Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get appended to every email ? -- Postgresql & php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/
Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes:
> Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get
> appended to every email ?
You mean like these headers that already get added to every list
message (these copied-and-pasted from your own message):
List-help: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=help>
List-owner: <mailto:pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org>
List-subscribe: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=sub%20pgsql-performance>
List-unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=unsub%20pgsql-performance>
Plus there are at least two of the "random tips" that deal with how to
unsubscribe. My feeling is that the people who can't figure this out
still won't figure it out, no matter how thick the cluebat we swing at
them :-(
Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
first place?
regards, tom lane
Tom Lane wrote: > Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes: > >>Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get >>appended to every email ? > > > You mean like these headers that already get added to every list > message (these copied-and-pasted from your own message): The headers aren't the first place you'd go looking for such info.. once you know they are there it's ok. > Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should > require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the > first place? Maybe :) The php-general list has To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe requests.. Ah well :) -- Postgresql & php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/
Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should >> require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the >> first place? > Maybe :) The php-general list has > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe > requests.. That's depressing, indeed :-( I'm not against spending a little bandwidth to provide unsub instructions, but somehow I can't see putting an 8x10 color glossy photograph with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back [1] of every list message to do it. regards, tom lane [1] http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/alicesre.htm
On May 10, 2006, at 14:42 , Tom Lane wrote: > Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes: > >> Maybe :) The php-general list has > >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >> at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe >> requests.. That will *always* happen. Just human nature and the numbers of subscribers. However, a one-liner that either points to the webpage for unsubscribing (probably easiest) or a brief description on how to unsubscribe (To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo@postgresql.org with body "unsub pgsql-performance" (without quotes)) may intercept a few more. Is there a way to configure Majordomo to make even easier to unsubscribe? Just sending to pgsql- performance-unsubscribe@postgresql.org or some such? I've seen other mailing lists that do this. Requiring a specific command (what's the command? in the subject or the body?) is one more place a person can make a mistake. (I've recently switched mail accounts and unsubbed/ subbed from the lists I'm on. This latter style does make it a lot easier.) (And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/ unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.) Michael Glaesemann grzm seespotcode net
Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes:
> (And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/
> unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.)
Well, in my fairly ancient copy of exmh, any message with such headers
causes an additional menu to appear:
List...
help
unsubscribe
owner
subscribe
archive
id
post
Clicking on any of these takes you to the webpage referenced by the header.
(It looks like it's just generating menu entries for whatever "List-foo"
headers it finds; the behavior isn't real helpful for headers that don't
contain URLs, but most of these do.)
Whether there's anything mass-market that knows about these headers,
I dunno, but it's not like the spec hasn't been out there plenty long
enough:
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2369.txt
regards, tom lane
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:15:11 -0400, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should > require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the > first place? I suspect it is more lazyiness that smarts. That had to at least figure out how to respond to the confirm message in the first place in order to get subscribed. My theory is that they don't want to take the trouble to figure out how to unsubscribe when they (think that they) can just send a message to the list (not even the admin) asking to be unsubscribed and it will (well actually won't on these lists) happen. Maybe posts with "unsubscribe" in the subject could be held for moderation and/or get an automated reply with instructions for unsubscribing.
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:10:37AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes: > > (And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/ > > unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.) > > Well, in my fairly ancient copy of exmh, any message with such headers > causes an additional menu to appear: Based on the constantly broken threading in the lists, I'd bet that less than 20% of posters use something more sophisticated than MS LookOut!, and I'm sure that the stats for subscribers are far worse. Does majordomo have an option to automagically handle such posts that are sent to the post address instead of the admin address? I know mailman can do that... -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:10:51PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:15:11 -0400, > Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > > > > Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should > > require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the > > first place? > > I suspect it is more lazyiness that smarts. That had to at least figure out > how to respond to the confirm message in the first place in order to get > subscribed. > My theory is that they don't want to take the trouble to figure out how to > unsubscribe when they (think that they) can just send a message to the list > (not even the admin) asking to be unsubscribed and it will (well actually won't > on these lists) happen. The confirm email has a directly-clickable link, or you can just reply to it. From that standpoint, it's substantially easier and simpler than unsubscribing is... -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461