Обсуждение: Win32 port
I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged patch that can be applied to 7.4. Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to the main CVS tree for 7.4. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > the main CVS tree for 7.4. Whoo Hooo! :-) + Justin > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 01:32, Justin Clift wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > > patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > > > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > > the main CVS tree for 7.4. > > Whoo Hooo! > > :-) > > + Justin Couldn't agree with Justin more. Even though I won't use it in production, We have developers that use postgres on their windows laptops for development and cygwin just doesn't cut it.
Bruce Momjian kirjutas K, 06.11.2002 kell 08:19: > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > patch that can be applied to 7.4. Great! > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > the main CVS tree for 7.4. What C compiler will you be working with ? I hope that at least MingW should be supported ? ------------- Hannu
Hannu Krosing wrote: > Bruce Momjian kirjutas K, 06.11.2002 kell 08:19: > > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > > patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > Great! > > > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > > the main CVS tree for 7.4. > > What C compiler will you be working with ? > > I hope that at least MingW should be supported ? Actually, I will be doing all the coding on BSD/OS. I am more merging patches than actual coding, though. This will guarantee that the patches will not affect the Unix platforms. I will need help from others to check the various Win32 compilers. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Hannu Krosing wrote: > > Bruce Momjian kirjutas K, 06.11.2002 kell 08:19: > > > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > > > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > > > patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > > > Great! > > > > > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > > > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > > > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > > > the main CVS tree for 7.4. > > > > What C compiler will you be working with ? > > > > I hope that at least MingW should be supported ? > > Actually, I will be doing all the coding on BSD/OS. I am more merging > patches than actual coding, though. This will guarantee that the > patches will not affect the Unix platforms. I will need help from > others to check the various Win32 compilers. I was wondering about that. How will you be able to verify that you got a Win32 port that at least compiles, if you're merging two different Win32 approaches into the code on BSD? I don't expect that to work at all. To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. Our port is a real 100% pure Win32 one without any portability crap like cygwin. I don't think that's a big problem, since the binary results of a MS VC compile are redistributable AFAIK. And you'd need VC++ only if you want to do backend development under Windows, and who want's that (Katie for sure, but that's another story ;-P ) Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com #
Jan Wieck wrote: > > Actually, I will be doing all the coding on BSD/OS. I am more merging > > patches than actual coding, though. This will guarantee that the > > patches will not affect the Unix platforms. I will need help from > > others to check the various Win32 compilers. > > I was wondering about that. How will you be able to verify that you got > a Win32 port that at least compiles, if you're merging two different > Win32 approaches into the code on BSD? I don't expect that to work at > all. It doesn't have to work on Win32 day 1. I will do all the work I can. I will also be buying a machine that can compile this but right now I want to get most of it in. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Jan Wieck wrote: > >>>Actually, I will be doing all the coding on BSD/OS. I am more merging >>>patches than actual coding, though. This will guarantee that the >>>patches will not affect the Unix platforms. I will need help from >>>others to check the various Win32 compilers. >> >>I was wondering about that. How will you be able to verify that you got >>a Win32 port that at least compiles, if you're merging two different >>Win32 approaches into the code on BSD? I don't expect that to work at >>all. > > It doesn't have to work on Win32 day 1. I will do all the work I can. > I will also be buying a machine that can compile this but right now I > want to get most of it in. > Bruce, I can compile on VC++ (VS .Net) for you. Let me know when you're ready with a patch. Joe
Joe Conway wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Jan Wieck wrote: > > > >>>Actually, I will be doing all the coding on BSD/OS. I am more merging > >>>patches than actual coding, though. This will guarantee that the > >>>patches will not affect the Unix platforms. I will need help from > >>>others to check the various Win32 compilers. > >> > >>I was wondering about that. How will you be able to verify that you got > >>a Win32 port that at least compiles, if you're merging two different > >>Win32 approaches into the code on BSD? I don't expect that to work at > >>all. > > > > It doesn't have to work on Win32 day 1. I will do all the work I can. > > I will also be buying a machine that can compile this but right now I > > want to get most of it in. > > > > Bruce, I can compile on VC++ (VS .Net) for you. Let me know when you're ready > with a patch. Thanks. That will be a help. In fact, just running it through after I make few commits should fix things up. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Jan Wieck writes: > To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like > the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I > don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. Before long someone will port the Windows port to MinGW, so we should resist attempts to use compiler-specific features in the same way that we tend not to use vendors specific features in other ports. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Jan Wieck writes: > > > To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like > > the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I > > don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. > > Before long someone will port the Windows port to MinGW, so we should > resist attempts to use compiler-specific features in the same way that we > tend not to use vendors specific features in other ports. Absolutely. With the present push by over 30 governments of countries, and other large institutions around the world for adopting Open Source software in significant ways, we'd be kind of short-sighted to do things in a way that mostly limits people to using M$ products. :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > -- > Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Conway [mailto:mail@joeconway.com] > Sent: 06 November 2002 16:16 > To: Bruce Momjian > Cc: Jan Wieck; Hannu Krosing; PostgreSQL-development; Tatsuo Ishii > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port > > > > Bruce, I can compile on VC++ (VS .Net) for you. Let me know > when you're ready > with a patch. > > Joe > I can also help with VC++ 6, and .NET. Regards, Dave.
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Jan Wieck writes: > > > To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like > > the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I > > don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. > > Before long someone will port the Windows port to MinGW, so we should > resist attempts to use compiler-specific features in the same way that we > tend not to use vendors specific features in other ports. Agreed. I will make as clean a patch as possible. I think it is doable. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Here is a list of patch areas that I will address with the Win32 port: fork/execloop rename testhandle \r in COPYcopydir for cp -rbackslash testsrmdir not recursive for rm -rshared memory couldmap to new address in exec childcompatibility definesfile path separatorsroot directoryrename atomicityspinlock changesstr[r]chrtimevalfor psqlDWORD in help.cinitdb -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Jan Wieck writes: > > > > > To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like > > > the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I > > > don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. > > > > Before long someone will port the Windows port to MinGW, so we should > > resist attempts to use compiler-specific features in the same way that we > > tend not to use vendors specific features in other ports. > > Agreed. I will make as clean a patch as possible. I think it is > doable. The thing with this particular feature was not to touch almost every source file in the whole tree. The headers to #include in a clean Win32 world are totally different from what you #include in Unix. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com #
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Here is a list of patch areas that I will address with the Win32 port: > > fork/exec > loop rename test > handle \r in COPY > copydir for cp -r > backslash tests > rmdir not recursive for rm -r > shared memory could map to new address in exec child That's actually not done in the port yet. Thomas once overhauled the hashtable code and changed it from using offsets to pointers. This code is used for shared hashtables, so the mapping has to be done at a fixed address for now. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com #
Jan Wieck wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Here is a list of patch areas that I will address with the Win32 port: > > > > fork/exec > > loop rename test > > handle \r in COPY > > copydir for cp -r > > backslash tests > > rmdir not recursive for rm -r > > shared memory could map to new address in exec child > > That's actually not done in the port yet. Thomas once overhauled the > hashtable code and changed it from using offsets to pointers. This code > is used for shared hashtables, so the mapping has to be done at a fixed > address for now. OK, can we guarantee that fixed mapping will happen? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Jan Wieck wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > > Jan Wieck writes: > > > > > > > To Hannu: the Windows port we did here depends on MS VC++ features like > > > > the ability to specify in the project to substitute header files. I > > > > don't know much about MingW and if you can do things like that with it. > > > > > > Before long someone will port the Windows port to MinGW, so we should > > > resist attempts to use compiler-specific features in the same way that we > > > tend not to use vendors specific features in other ports. > > > > Agreed. I will make as clean a patch as possible. I think it is > > doable. > > The thing with this particular feature was not to touch almost every > source file in the whole tree. The headers to #include in a clean Win32 > world are totally different from what you #include in Unix. OK, I am looking at the SRA patch and I don't see a huge number of #include changes. Can you give an example? Also, isn't there a way to do this in a more centralized way, perhaps in c.h? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Hello Bruce, Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 3:19:35 AM, you wrote: BM> I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to BM> Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged BM> patch that can be applied to 7.4. BM> Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I BM> will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like BM> fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to BM> the main CVS tree for 7.4. Just wondering, what compiler are they using ? Will it compile using Mingw ? ------------- Best regards,Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org
Steve Howe wrote: > Hello Bruce, > > Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 3:19:35 AM, you wrote: > > BM> I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > BM> Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > BM> patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > BM> Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > BM> will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > BM> fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > BM> the main CVS tree for 7.4. > Just wondering, what compiler are they using ? > Will it compile using Mingw ? I think the two projects are using MS C++, but it would be nice for Mingw to work too. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Hello Bruce, Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 8:33:32 PM, you wrote: BM> Steve Howe wrote: >> Hello Bruce, >> >> Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 3:19:35 AM, you wrote: >> >> BM> I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to >> BM> Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged >> BM> patch that can be applied to 7.4. >> >> BM> Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I >> BM> will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like >> BM> fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to >> BM> the main CVS tree for 7.4. >> Just wondering, what compiler are they using ? >> Will it compile using Mingw ? BM> I think the two projects are using MS C++, but it would be nice for BM> Mingw to work too. Or even (free) Borland C++ compiler, but I would be glad just to see it working with Mingw... It just makes no sense a free project like PostgreSQL to be compiled only with a commercial compiler. ------------- Best regards,Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org
pgman wrote: > I have copies of Peer Direct's (Jan's company) port of PostgreSQL to > Win32, and SRA's port to Win32, and permission to generate a merged > patch that can be applied to 7.4. > > Now that 7.3 is almost complete, I am going to start work on that. I > will post patches that deal with specific portability issues, like > fork/exec and path separator handling, and once reviewed, apply them to > the main CVS tree for 7.4. I have talked to Jan, and PeerDirect wants to submit a complete working Win32 patch, rather than the piece-by-piece merged patch I was working on. They also have a newer version than the one they shared with me. They realize that their patch is very unlikely to be accepted in whole, but rather merged in and reworked to fit into our code cleanly. They also realize 7.4 will be a moving target as people make changes to CVS. Part of my goal was to get this in quickly while CVS was relatively stable, particularly hitting the portability issues that are spread throughout the code, and dealing with sticky issues like rename(). I believe they are in their right to determine how the patch is released to the community, so it seems we either have to wait for them to complete their mega-patch, which could take one month or more, or start working on a patch ourselves. Let me map out the calendar. I think we are very close on the point-in-time recovery patch. I am hoping to get that in during November, and I _was_ hoping for the Win32 port too, so we could have another two months of development, then start beta for 7.4. As it stands now, we could be adding Win32 at the end of December, pushing back 7.4. Comments? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:20:16PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Let me map out the calendar. I think we are very close on the > point-in-time recovery patch. I am hoping to get that in during > November, and I _was_ hoping for the Win32 port too, so we could have > another two months of development, then start beta for 7.4. As it > stands now, we could be adding Win32 at the end of December, pushing > back 7.4. What about patches that are in the pgpatches2 list? Are you going to merge that right now, or wait for each item to be reviewed? -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>) "Pido que me den el Nobel por razones humanitarias" (Nicanor Parra)
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 08:20:16PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Let me map out the calendar. I think we are very close on the > > point-in-time recovery patch. I am hoping to get that in during > > November, and I _was_ hoping for the Win32 port too, so we could have > > another two months of development, then start beta for 7.4. As it > > stands now, we could be adding Win32 at the end of December, pushing > > back 7.4. > > What about patches that are in the pgpatches2 list? Are you going to > merge that right now, or wait for each item to be reviewed? Good question. Let's say I will apply them in two days unless someone objects to them. They all look pretty safe to me. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > I have talked to Jan, and PeerDirect wants to submit a complete working > Win32 patch, rather than the piece-by-piece merged patch I was working > on. Is there a reason you're doing the actual merging with CVS? ISTM it might be more straight-forward to just wait for PeerDirect to get their code in a state that can be committed straight to CVS, using the normal code review process. That would leave the ball in PeerDirect's code, as far as staying current with any changes made to CVS in the interim. BTW, what about the SRA stuff? i.e. could we begin work on a native Win32 port using their work, while at the same time waiting for PeerDirect? > Let me map out the calendar. I think we are very close on the > point-in-time recovery patch. I am hoping to get that in during > November, and I _was_ hoping for the Win32 port too, so we could have > another two months of development, then start beta for 7.4. As it > stands now, we could be adding Win32 at the end of December, pushing > back 7.4. You've mentioned the "quickly release 7.4" plan before, but I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning behind it. PITR and Win32, while certainly important features, are not critical enough that they justify an entire release for themselves, IMHO. Plus, there's a definate downside to releasing quickly: users will still need to 'initdb' between major releases, no matter how quickly they are put out. It's also possible that a faster release cycle would mean a more rushed, less stable development process (and therefore more bugs). Cheers, Neil -- Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com> || PGP Key ID: DB3C29FC
Neil Conway wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I have talked to Jan, and PeerDirect wants to submit a complete working > > Win32 patch, rather than the piece-by-piece merged patch I was working > > on. > > Is there a reason you're doing the actual merging with CVS? ISTM it > might be more straight-forward to just wait for PeerDirect to get > their code in a state that can be committed straight to CVS, using the > normal code review process. That would leave the ball in PeerDirect's > code, as far as staying current with any changes made to CVS in the > interim. Clearly, it is better if Jan/PeerDirect does the job. The question is when it will happen. I figured if I got it started, they could then get involved when they have time. I recommend the port be submitted in pieces, meaning make one patch dealing with path names, another for initdb, etc. However, they want to do the work, and hopefully it will be done in a reasonable time, so I certainly can wait. > BTW, what about the SRA stuff? i.e. could we begin work on a native > Win32 port using their work, while at the same time waiting for > PeerDirect? Yes, certainly I can. The problem there is that once I attack various areas, Jan's work becomes harder because he has to take his version and merge in into my changes. > > Let me map out the calendar. I think we are very close on the > > point-in-time recovery patch. I am hoping to get that in during > > November, and I _was_ hoping for the Win32 port too, so we could have > > another two months of development, then start beta for 7.4. As it > > stands now, we could be adding Win32 at the end of December, pushing > > back 7.4. > > You've mentioned the "quickly release 7.4" plan before, but I'm not > sure I agree with the reasoning behind it. > > PITR and Win32, while certainly important features, are not critical > enough that they justify an entire release for themselves, IMHO. Plus, > there's a definate downside to releasing quickly: users will still > need to 'initdb' between major releases, no matter how quickly they > are put out. It's also possible that a faster release cycle would mean > a more rushed, less stable development process (and therefore more > bugs). I have thrown out the idea and some felt that if we could get PITR and Win32, that would be enough for a release, even if we could get it done in a month or two. However, I see your point that releasing too often causes too many initdb's. What do others want, a regular 4-6 month cycle or a shorter one? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > <snip> > What do others want, a regular 4-6 month cycle or a shorter one? Whilst having a regular 4-6 month cycle (er... when was the last time THAT happened?) is alright, we should get the *Windows* native version out to the world ASAP. This (and secondly PITR) will greatly enhance the number of users we have. It's important to do this because companies and governments are looking to Open Source software in serious ways *now* so we need to be in place to meet that need as it starts to kick in. :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org> writes:
> Whilst having a regular 4-6 month cycle (er... when was the last time
> THAT happened?) is alright, we should get the *Windows* native version
> out to the world ASAP.
We don't have a Windows native version, and it sounds like it'll be
awhile before we have an offered set of patches to review. I think
making any release schedule plans on the basis of (ahem) vaporware
patches is a bit foolhardy.
The "quick 7.4" plan was based on the assumption that PITR and Windows
patches would both be available almost immediately. If that doesn't
come to pass then I see no reason not to go with a normal-length
development cycle.
regards, tom lane
Hello Bruce, Thursday, November 7, 2002, 12:56:57 AM, you wrote: BM> I have thrown out the idea and some felt that if we could get PITR and BM> Win32, that would be enough for a release, even if we could get it done BM> in a month or two. BM> However, I see your point that releasing too often causes too many BM> initdb's. BM> What do others want, a regular 4-6 month cycle or a shorter one? The initdb will be needed, no matter the release time is a month or six, right ? There is no point in holding technology that is ready. Those who don't need the release, can wait for the next one and avoid the initdb. Also, as a snapshot, the Win32 version won't get properly tested as it would be as a regular release, specially because most of the developers here work on UNIX. The best field testing would be deploying a regular release to the hundreds of Win32 users that wait for years for the Win32 version... ... just my thoughts, of course. ------------- Best regards,Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org
Hi, all. I just wanted to give you an update on where my company (PeerDirect) is with regards to our native Windows port. We are planning on contributing the code for the native port sometime next month (in December). We would have liked to contribute it earlier, but our work schedules here didn't allow it. The state of the port is that it passes all postgres regression tests. It's been in BETA since early August with about 27 beta customers. The beta customers came from a post made to the cygwin mailing list (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2002-08/msg00012.php). The BETA has proven successful and several problems were found and fixed. At this point you are welcome to run the latest version of this BETA. There is no installer, but there is a setenv.bat script to help setup the environment. The beta can be downloaded at: ftp://209.61.187.152/postgres/postgres_beta4.zip This version has its own catalog version which is slightly different than 7.2.1, so you'll need to do a pg_dump and pg_restore. If you find any issues, please don't mail me directly. Instead, please send emails to postgres-beta@peerdirect.com. Several people monitor this address and the issue will get resolved more quickly. There is still some cleanup work to do, such as migrating from 7.2.1 to 7.4, but my company is committed to contributing this port to the community by the end of the year. Regards, Katie Ward Principal Engineer kward@peerdirect.com
Hello Katie, Thursday, November 7, 2002, 7:08:20 PM, you wrote: KW> Hi, all. KW> I just wanted to give you an update on where my company (PeerDirect) is with KW> regards to our native Windows port. KW> We are planning on contributing the code for the native port sometime next KW> month (in December). We would have liked to contribute it earlier, but our KW> work schedules here didn't allow it. KW> The state of the port is that it passes all postgres regression tests. It's KW> been in BETA since early August with about 27 beta customers. The beta KW> customers came from a post made to the cygwin mailing list KW> (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2002-08/msg00012.php). The KW> BETA has proven successful and several problems were found and fixed. KW> At this point you are welcome to run the latest version of this BETA. There KW> is no installer, but there is a setenv.bat script to help setup the KW> environment. The beta can be downloaded at: KW> ftp://209.61.187.152/postgres/postgres_beta4.zip KW> This version has its own catalog version which is slightly different than KW> 7.2.1, so you'll need to do a pg_dump and pg_restore. If you find any KW> issues, please don't mail me directly. Instead, please send emails to KW> postgres-beta@peerdirect.com. Several people monitor this address and the KW> issue will get resolved more quickly. KW> There is still some cleanup work to do, such as migrating from 7.2.1 to 7.4, KW> but my company is committed to contributing this port to the community by KW> the end of the year. I have tried this version and it seems to work well on preliminary tests. Bruce, this probably is a good start for the port and I wonder if it worths having all that patching trouble you mentioned, specially when they offered to do it... I think you probably have a lot of work to do on other areas too... To Katie: does it compile with Mingw too ? ------------- Best regards,Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org
OK, Steve's vote is enough to indicate that most want to wait for PeerDirect's version before moving forward with the Win32 port. This also confirms that this will _not_ be an abreviated release cycle but a full 4-6 months of development, followed by 2 months of beta. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Howe wrote: > Hello Katie, > > Thursday, November 7, 2002, 7:08:20 PM, you wrote: > > KW> Hi, all. > > KW> I just wanted to give you an update on where my company (PeerDirect) is with > KW> regards to our native Windows port. > > KW> We are planning on contributing the code for the native port sometime next > KW> month (in December). We would have liked to contribute it earlier, but our > KW> work schedules here didn't allow it. > > KW> The state of the port is that it passes all postgres regression tests. It's > KW> been in BETA since early August with about 27 beta customers. The beta > KW> customers came from a post made to the cygwin mailing list > KW> (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2002-08/msg00012.php). The > KW> BETA has proven successful and several problems were found and fixed. > > KW> At this point you are welcome to run the latest version of this BETA. There > KW> is no installer, but there is a setenv.bat script to help setup the > KW> environment. The beta can be downloaded at: > KW> ftp://209.61.187.152/postgres/postgres_beta4.zip > > KW> This version has its own catalog version which is slightly different than > KW> 7.2.1, so you'll need to do a pg_dump and pg_restore. If you find any > KW> issues, please don't mail me directly. Instead, please send emails to > KW> postgres-beta@peerdirect.com. Several people monitor this address and the > KW> issue will get resolved more quickly. > > KW> There is still some cleanup work to do, such as migrating from 7.2.1 to 7.4, > KW> but my company is committed to contributing this port to the community by > KW> the end of the year. > I have tried this version and it seems to work well on preliminary > tests. Bruce, this probably is a good start for the port and I wonder > if it worths having all that patching trouble you mentioned, specially > when they offered to do it... I think you probably have a lot of work > to do on other areas too... > > To Katie: does it compile with Mingw too ? > > ------------- > Best regards, > Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 08 November 2002 04:54 > To: Steve Howe > Cc: Katie Ward; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port > > > > OK, Steve's vote is enough to indicate that most want to wait > for PeerDirect's version before moving forward with the Win32 port. +1 I've also been testing this for a while now - I agree with Steve, it works *very* well. Regards, Dave.
Hi, all. I just wanted to give you an update on where my company (PeerDirect) is with regards to our native Windows port. We are planning on contributing the code for the native port sometime next month (in December). We would have liked to contribute it earlier, but our work schedules here didn't allow it. The state of the port is that it passes all postgres regression tests. It's been in BETA since early August with about 27 beta customers. The beta customers came from a post made to the cygwin mailing list (http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-cygwin/2002-08/msg00012.php). The BETA has proven successful and several problems were found and fixed. At this point you are welcome to run the latest version of this BETA. There is no installer, but there is a setenv.bat script to help setup the environment. The beta can be downloaded at: ftp://209.61.187.152/postgres/postgres_beta4.zip This version has its own catalog version which is slightly different than 7.2.1, so you'll need to do a pg_dump and pg_restore. If you find any issues, please don't mail me directly. Instead, please send emails to postgres-beta@peerdirect.com. Several people monitor this address and the issue will get resolved more quickly. There is still some cleanup work to do, such as migrating from 7.2.1 to 7.4, but my company is committed to contributing this port to the community by the end of the year. Regards, Katie Ward Principal Engineer kward@peerdirect.com
I don't know if our code compiles with Mingw. I've never tried it. Right now, all files are built with MS VC++ 6.0 because that's the environment that I'm used to, so it's where I can code/debug the fastest. Katie > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Steve Howe > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:43 AM > To: Katie Ward > Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port > > > Hello Katie, > > Thursday, November 7, 2002, 7:08:20 PM, you wrote: > > I have tried this version and it seems to work well on preliminary > tests. Bruce, this probably is a good start for the port and I wonder > if it worths having all that patching trouble you mentioned, specially > when they offered to do it... I think you probably have a lot of work > to do on other areas too... > > To Katie: does it compile with Mingw too ? > > ------------- > Best regards, > Steve Howe mailto:howe@carcass.dhs.org > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > Sent: 08 November 2002 04:54 > > To: Steve Howe > > Cc: Katie Ward; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port > > > > > > > > OK, Steve's vote is enough to indicate that most want to wait > > for PeerDirect's version before moving forward with the Win32 port. > > +1 > > I've also been testing this for a while now - I agree with Steve, it > works *very* well. I may as well give you my logic on this: I don't like waiting for a feature unless there is a promised deliver date. Now that we have that, I am fine waiting. I hope I didn't sound too unappreciative of the great contribution PeerDirect is going to make by donating the Win32 port. It will be a great leap forward for PostgreSQL by increasing our user base. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 08 November 2002 16:10 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Steve Howe; Katie Ward; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port > > I hope I didn't sound too unappreciative of the great > contribution PeerDirect is going to make by donating the > Win32 port. It will be a great leap forward for PostgreSQL > by increasing our user base. Purely in terms of potential to increase our userbase I think this is probably the most important feature (for want of a better term) that will have ever been added to PostgreSQL. (and please don't misinterpret that as me saying that the other great features people have added are not as important) Regards Dave.
Bruce Momjian writes: > OK, Steve's vote is enough to indicate that most want [something] Amazing. How can others hope to achieve such powers? ;-) -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net