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Dumping in LATIN1 and restoring in UTF-8

От
"Marco Bizzarri"
Дата:
Hi all.

Here is my use case: I've an application which uses PostgreSQL as
backend. Up to now, the database was encoded in SQL_ASCII or LATIN1.
Now, we need to migrate to UTF-8.

What we tried, was to:

1) dump the database using pg_dump, in tar format (we had blob);
2) modifying the result, using some conversion tool (like recode)


3) destroying the old database
4) recreating the database with UNICODE setting
5) restoring the database using pg_restore

The result was not what I expected. The pg_restore was using the
LATIN1 encoding to encode the strings, resulting in a LATIN1 encoded
in UTF-8...

The problem lied in the toc.dat file, which stated that the client
encoding was LATIN1, instead of UTF-8.

The solution in the end has been to manually modifying the toc.dat
file, substituting the LATIN1 string with UTF-8 (plus a space, since
the toc.dat is a binary file).

Even though it worked for us, I wonder if there is any other way to
accomplish the same result, at least to specify the encoding for the
restore.

Regards
Marco
--
Marco Bizzarri
http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/

Re: Dumping in LATIN1 and restoring in UTF-8

От
Tino Wildenhain
Дата:
Marco Bizzarri schrieb:
> Hi all.
>
> Here is my use case: I've an application which uses PostgreSQL as
> backend. Up to now, the database was encoded in SQL_ASCII or LATIN1.
> Now, we need to migrate to UTF-8.
>
> What we tried, was to:
>
> 1) dump the database using pg_dump, in tar format (we had blob);
> 2) modifying the result, using some conversion tool (like recode)
>
>
> 3) destroying the old database
> 4) recreating the database with UNICODE setting
> 5) restoring the database using pg_restore
>
> The result was not what I expected. The pg_restore was using the
> LATIN1 encoding to encode the strings, resulting in a LATIN1 encoded
> in UTF-8...
>
> The problem lied in the toc.dat file, which stated that the client
> encoding was LATIN1, instead of UTF-8.
>
> The solution in the end has been to manually modifying the toc.dat
> file, substituting the LATIN1 string with UTF-8 (plus a space, since
> the toc.dat is a binary file).
>
> Even though it worked for us, I wonder if there is any other way to
> accomplish the same result, at least to specify the encoding for the
> restore.

Yes, its actually quite esay: you dump as you feel apropriate,
then create the database with the encoding you want,
restore w/o creating database and you are done.
Restore sets the client encoding to what it actually was
in the dump data (in your case latin-1) and the database
would be utf-8 - postgres automatically recodes. No need
for iconv and friends.

Regards
Tino

Re: Dumping in LATIN1 and restoring in UTF-8

От
"Marco Bizzarri"
Дата:
On 7/6/06, Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> wrote:
> Marco Bizzarri schrieb:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Here is my use case: I've an application which uses PostgreSQL as
> > backend. Up to now, the database was encoded in SQL_ASCII or LATIN1.
> > Now, we need to migrate to UTF-8.
> >
> > What we tried, was to:
> >
> > 1) dump the database using pg_dump, in tar format (we had blob);
> > 2) modifying the result, using some conversion tool (like recode)
> >
> >
> > 3) destroying the old database
> > 4) recreating the database with UNICODE setting
> > 5) restoring the database using pg_restore
> >
> > The result was not what I expected. The pg_restore was using the
> > LATIN1 encoding to encode the strings, resulting in a LATIN1 encoded
> > in UTF-8...
> >
> > The problem lied in the toc.dat file, which stated that the client
> > encoding was LATIN1, instead of UTF-8.
> >
> > The solution in the end has been to manually modifying the toc.dat
> > file, substituting the LATIN1 string with UTF-8 (plus a space, since
> > the toc.dat is a binary file).
> >
> > Even though it worked for us, I wonder if there is any other way to
> > accomplish the same result, at least to specify the encoding for the
> > restore.
>
> Yes, its actually quite esay: you dump as you feel apropriate,
> then create the database with the encoding you want,
> restore w/o creating database and you are done.
> Restore sets the client encoding to what it actually was
> in the dump data (in your case latin-1) and the database
> would be utf-8 - postgres automatically recodes. No need
> for iconv and friends.
>
> Regards
> Tino
>

First of all, thank you for your answer. However, I suspect I did not
understand your answer, since the commands I used were:

1) pg_dump -Ft -b -f dump.sql.tar database
2) dropdb database
3) createdb -E UNICODE database
4) pg_restore -d database dump.sql.tar

According to my experience, this produces a "double encoding". As you
can see, I hand-created the database, with the proper encoding.
However, when I reimported the database, the result was a latin1
encoded in utf-8, rather than a pure utf-8.

How my procedure was different with respect to yours?

I will make some test with a sample database, and enabling the
logging, so that I can understand the commands which are issued.

Regards
Marco


--
Marco Bizzarri
http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/

Re: Dumping in LATIN1 and restoring in UTF-8

От
Tino Wildenhain
Дата:
...
>> Yes, its actually quite esay: you dump as you feel apropriate,
>> then create the database with the encoding you want,
>> restore w/o creating database and you are done.
>> Restore sets the client encoding to what it actually was
>> in the dump data (in your case latin-1) and the database
>> would be utf-8 - postgres automatically recodes. No need
>> for iconv and friends.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tino
>>
>
> First of all, thank you for your answer. However, I suspect I did not
> understand your answer, since the commands I used were:
>
> 1) pg_dump -Ft -b -f dump.sql.tar database
> 2) dropdb database
> 3) createdb -E UNICODE database
> 4) pg_restore -d database dump.sql.tar
>
> According to my experience, this produces a "double encoding". As you
> can see, I hand-created the database, with the proper encoding.
> However, when I reimported the database, the result was a latin1
> encoded in utf-8, rather than a pure utf-8.
>
> How my procedure was different with respect to yours?

That was the correct way. I wonder if you have recoding support
enabled? Did you build postgres yourself?
Latin-1 double encoded into utf-8 seems not like possible...
utf-8 barfs on most latin-1 characters, current 8.1 is very
picky about it. So maybe you can work with a small
test table to find out what's going wrong here.

(The changing of the client_enccoding setting in the backup is only
needed in the case when you had data in the wrong encoding
- like SQLAscii filled with latin-1 or something)


Regards
Tino

Re: Dumping in LATIN1 and restoring in UTF-8

От
"Marco Bizzarri"
Дата:
On 7/6/06, Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> wrote:
> ...
> >> Yes, its actually quite esay: you dump as you feel apropriate,
> >> then create the database with the encoding you want,
> >> restore w/o creating database and you are done.
> >> Restore sets the client encoding to what it actually was
> >> in the dump data (in your case latin-1) and the database
> >> would be utf-8 - postgres automatically recodes. No need
> >> for iconv and friends.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Tino
> >>
> >
> > First of all, thank you for your answer. However, I suspect I did not
> > understand your answer, since the commands I used were:
> >
> > 1) pg_dump -Ft -b -f dump.sql.tar database
> > 2) dropdb database
> > 3) createdb -E UNICODE database
> > 4) pg_restore -d database dump.sql.tar
> >
> > According to my experience, this produces a "double encoding". As you
> > can see, I hand-created the database, with the proper encoding.
> > However, when I reimported the database, the result was a latin1
> > encoded in utf-8, rather than a pure utf-8.
> >
> > How my procedure was different with respect to yours?
>
> That was the correct way. I wonder if you have recoding support
> enabled? Did you build postgres yourself?

Support for recoding? I don't know... I compiled myself postgres,
which is, BTW, 7.4.8. How can I check if auto recoding is enabled?

> Latin-1 double encoded into utf-8 seems not like possible...
> utf-8 barfs on most latin-1 characters, current 8.1 is very
> picky about it. So maybe you can work with a small
> test table to find out what's going wrong here.

Yes, I will do... I understand postgresql in later release became much
more "picky" about encoding.
>
> (The changing of the client_enccoding setting in the backup is only
> needed in the case when you had data in the wrong encoding
> - like SQLAscii filled with latin-1 or something)

Ok, thanks!

Regards
Marco

--
Marco Bizzarri
http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/