Обсуждение: accidental drop table recoverable?
Hello fellow Postgres administrators, right now we experienced the loss of backups (due to wrong communication) and a list of accidental drop table statements (due to wrong database choice). We sure have clues how to avoid that in the future but right now we do not seem to find the solution to actually rollback this accidental drop table. Having searched around, the only recipe I found was: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-docs/2004-12/msg00027.php which is pretty convoluted but seems like it could do the job. Now... is there a simpler way? I seem to see a fixed set of files in data/base that seemed to have been changed at the right time of the drop db... any chance to fiddle with them? thanks for hints. paul
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Paul Libbrecht <paul@activemath.org> writes: > right now we experienced the loss of backups (due to wrong > communication) and a list of accidental drop table statements (due to > wrong database choice). Ouch. > We sure have clues how to avoid that in the future but right now we do > not seem to find the solution to actually rollback this accidental > drop table. You can't really "rollback" a DROP TABLE --- that corresponds directly to a filesystem remove() call, and no amount of fooling around with the database state will undo that. If you have filesystem tools that will resurrect the deleted files for you, you could probably put them back into the database. My inclination would be not to try to "roll back" anything, but create new tables with the identical column sets to the old ones (but no indexes) and then rename the recovered files into place to match the new tables' relfilenode values. After which, a dump and reload would be prudent to make sure everything's really kosher. (Actually, copying the data into newly created tables should be enough for that.) regards, tom lane
Le 14-juil.-08 à 16:47, Tom Lane a écrit : > You can't really "rollback" a DROP TABLE --- that corresponds directly > to a filesystem remove() call, and no amount of fooling around with > the > database state will undo that. That is dark. I read yesterday night that actually a vacuum was advised everyday since otherwise there was no actual deletion. So you are telling me that, however, drop-table does really go to deletion right away? I'm running 7.4.5 btw. > If you have filesystem tools that will resurrect the deleted files for > you, you could probably put them back into the database. My > inclination > would be not to try to "roll back" anything, but create new tables > with > the identical column sets to the old ones (but no indexes) this can be done easily. But the filesystem resurrect I am doubting of. I'll hunt. thanks! paul > and then rename the recovered files into place to match the new > tables' > relfilenode values. > After which, a dump and reload would be prudent to > make sure everything's really kosher. (Actually, copying the data > into > newly created tables should be enough for that.) sure!
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I think what you're talking about here is physical delete vs. logical delete. I may be blowing smoke here because I haven't been using postgres that long. Other systems I've worked with mark a table or file as deleted, but some operation like vacuum in this case is required to actually delete the data and in all actuality it is still really there till you overwrite it. When it's just marked as deleted the system will overwrite other areas first but will use the deleted file or tables space as a last resort. If you have the right fancy software you can get it back. When it's physically deleted the system will use the space as needed and overwrite as needed. You can still get it back with the right fancy software, but it takes fancier software and it's fraught with a lot more hazards. Carol On Jul 14, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > > Le 14-juil.-08 à 16:47, Tom Lane a écrit : > >> You can't really "rollback" a DROP TABLE --- that corresponds >> directly >> to a filesystem remove() call, and no amount of fooling around >> with the >> database state will undo that. > > That is dark. > I read yesterday night that actually a vacuum was advised everyday > since otherwise there was no actual deletion. So you are telling me > that, however, drop-table does really go to deletion right away? > > I'm running 7.4.5 btw. > >> If you have filesystem tools that will resurrect the deleted files >> for >> you, you could probably put them back into the database. My >> inclination >> would be not to try to "roll back" anything, but create new tables >> with >> the identical column sets to the old ones (but no indexes) > > this can be done easily. > But the filesystem resurrect I am doubting of. I'll hunt. > > thanks! > > paul > >> and then rename the recovered files into place to match the new >> tables' >> relfilenode values. >> After which, a dump and reload would be prudent to >> make sure everything's really kosher. (Actually, copying the data >> into >> newly created tables should be enough for that.) > > sure!
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Paul Libbrecht <paul@activemath.org> wrote: > > Le 14-juil.-08 à 16:47, Tom Lane a écrit : > >> You can't really "rollback" a DROP TABLE --- that corresponds directly >> to a filesystem remove() call, and no amount of fooling around with the >> database state will undo that. > > That is dark. > I read yesterday night that actually a vacuum was advised everyday since > otherwise there was no actual deletion. So you are telling me that, however, > drop-table does really go to deletion right away? > > I'm running 7.4.5 btw. First off, if you're gonna run 7.4.x then you should REALLY be running the latest 7.4 version, which is 7.4.21. You are missing almost 4 years worth of updates, and there ARE dataloss bugs in 7.4.5 which could bite you. But that's not the core of your issue here. When you delete tuples in a table, postgresql doesn't delete the actual row, it just marks it as deleted / not visible anymore. Same goes for the corresponding entries in an index. Dropping or truncating a table is something else. Now, if you do: begin; drop table yada; rollback; you'll still have your table. Same thing goes for truncate. But once you commit such a transaction, the table is gone. Keep in mind that if you don't start a transaction explicitly, then each command you type in is a transaction unto itself, and that means that a simple drop table statement commits as soon as it finishes.