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dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
Gregory Stark
Дата:
Hm, in my experiments what's happening is that dropping a table needs an
AccessExclusiveLock on the table and any open transactions that have read from
that table will have at least an AccessShareLock on that table which blocks
the schema change.

But I don't think merely having a trigger will hold a lock. Will it? Anyone?

I think you need an actual open transaction that has accessed the table. Is it
possible you have some transactions that are live for an extended period?
Either large queries that are still running or just some non-autocommit
transaction sitting waiting for user input before committing?

You could investigate by doing

select * from pg_lock where not granted;

Pick out the one looking for an AccessExclusiveLock, its pid should match the
pid of the backend where you're doing the DROP. Look at the relation column
and do

select * from pg_lock where relation = NNN

where NNN is the relation of the nongranted lock.

Look at what type of lock is being held by that's blocking the partition drop
and what the pid of those backends are. You can see what command they're
executing by using a tool like pg_admin to look at the stats command buffer or
just by looking at ps usually.

8.2 will allow you to move a partition out of an inheritance structure instead
of dropping it entirely. Sadly it takes the same lock so it won't help you
here.

I wonder if it really needs such a strong lock. If it dropped the inheritance
structure without locking it would open up some strange cases though. Like,
you wouldn't know just because you had committed that other queries weren't
still running that think your table is still a partition in the partitioned
table.

--
  Gregory Stark
  EnterpriseDB          http://www.enterprisedb.com

Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
"Sriram Dandapani"
Дата:
Thanks for the input. My drop statement is in a loop . I have added a
lock table with nowait before the drop table. At some point(over a
couple of hours, I should be able to get the lock). Not sure why I
don't. All queries that access the parent table finish within 30
minutes(and hence should free up the query plan that accesses the
unwanted child table to be dropped).

The other activity that goes on is a 24x7 insert into the parent table
which has rules that redirect data to appropriate child tables. Not sure
if this requires a shared lock on child tables that do not satisfy the
partition criteria

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org
[mailto:pgsql-admin-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Stark
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:27 AM
To: PostgreSQL Admin Discussion
Subject: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever


Hm, in my experiments what's happening is that dropping a table needs an
AccessExclusiveLock on the table and any open transactions that have
read from
that table will have at least an AccessShareLock on that table which
blocks
the schema change.

But I don't think merely having a trigger will hold a lock. Will it?
Anyone?

I think you need an actual open transaction that has accessed the table.
Is it
possible you have some transactions that are live for an extended
period?
Either large queries that are still running or just some non-autocommit
transaction sitting waiting for user input before committing?

You could investigate by doing

select * from pg_lock where not granted;

Pick out the one looking for an AccessExclusiveLock, its pid should
match the
pid of the backend where you're doing the DROP. Look at the relation
column
and do

select * from pg_lock where relation = NNN

where NNN is the relation of the nongranted lock.

Look at what type of lock is being held by that's blocking the partition
drop
and what the pid of those backends are. You can see what command they're
executing by using a tool like pg_admin to look at the stats command
buffer or
just by looking at ps usually.

8.2 will allow you to move a partition out of an inheritance structure
instead
of dropping it entirely. Sadly it takes the same lock so it won't help
you
here.

I wonder if it really needs such a strong lock. If it dropped the
inheritance
structure without locking it would open up some strange cases though.
Like,
you wouldn't know just because you had committed that other queries
weren't
still running that think your table is still a partition in the
partitioned
table.

--
  Gregory Stark
  EnterpriseDB          http://www.enterprisedb.com


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Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
"Sriram Dandapani"
Дата:
When I modify the trigger, I noticed that postgres restarted. Not sure
why, but it happens when it is being executed. This behaviour is
consistent.

Dropping the trigger is not viable as inserts happen 24x7 at a high
rate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim C. Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:32 PM
To: Sriram Dandapani
Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever

On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 03:32:10PM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have a table partitioned on a daily basis. Data is constantly
inserted
> in this table. When I attempt to drop a partition that is not used(i.e
> previous day's), the drop table waits for a loooong time.This is
> probably due to the fact that the old partitioned table is being
> referenced in a query plan(the insert into the parent table uses
> triggers).
>
> How can I prevent the locking out of the drop table? I tried truncate
> table but it is worse. It locks out the inserts in the parent table
and
> then it waits.(hence causing a deadlock)

What about dropping/changing the trigger?
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Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
"Jim C. Nasby"
Дата:
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 02:34:57PM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> When I modify the trigger, I noticed that postgres restarted. Not sure
> why, but it happens when it is being executed. This behaviour is
> consistent.

Restarted as in the database crashed??

Is this actually being done with a trigger or with rules?
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Pervasive Software      http://pervasive.com    work: 512-231-6117
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Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
"Sriram Dandapani"
Дата:
Postmaster was automatically restarted. (didn't crash).

Rules are used to implement the partitioning (and the triggers as well)

Using postgres 8.1.2

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim C. Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:29 PM
To: Sriram Dandapani
Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever

On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 02:34:57PM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> When I modify the trigger, I noticed that postgres restarted. Not sure
> why, but it happens when it is being executed. This behaviour is
> consistent.

Restarted as in the database crashed??

Is this actually being done with a trigger or with rules?
--
Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant      jnasby@pervasive.com
Pervasive Software      http://pervasive.com    work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf       cell: 512-569-9461

Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
Jim Nasby
Дата:
I think you'll probably need to submit a self-contained, reproducible
test case.

On Aug 15, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> Postmaster was automatically restarted. (didn't crash).
>
> Rules are used to implement the partitioning (and the triggers as
> well)
>
> Using postgres 8.1.2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim C. Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: Sriram Dandapani
> Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 02:34:57PM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
>> When I modify the trigger, I noticed that postgres restarted. Not
>> sure
>> why, but it happens when it is being executed. This behaviour is
>> consistent.
>
> Restarted as in the database crashed??
>
> Is this actually being done with a trigger or with rules?
> --
> Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant      jnasby@pervasive.com
> Pervasive Software      http://pervasive.com    work: 512-231-6117
> vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf       cell: 512-569-9461
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>

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Re: dropping partitioned table waits forever

От
"Sriram Dandapani"
Дата:
1. Create a parent table with a few child tables(atleast 2 child
partitions) partitioned by date(partitioning implemented by rules)

2. Continuously insert into the table at a high rate.

3. Create a script that queries the parent table every 5 minutes.

4. Run a drop child table(any child) command. The drop table goes into a
wait state AND causes the inserts to go into a wait state

5. Modify the drop table command to do a lock table nowait(so that if a
lock is not available, it immediately fails...you will notice that most
of the time, the lock cannot be obtained as there are other share locks
on the table.

The only consistent way to drop a child partitioned table on a live
system with a high access rate on the target parent table is to stop and
restart postgres and immediately run the drop table commands.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 6:04 AM
To: Sriram Dandapani
Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever

I think you'll probably need to submit a self-contained, reproducible
test case.

On Aug 15, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
> Postmaster was automatically restarted. (didn't crash).
>
> Rules are used to implement the partitioning (and the triggers as
> well)
>
> Using postgres 8.1.2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim C. Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: Sriram Dandapani
> Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] dropping partitioned table waits forever
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 02:34:57PM -0700, Sriram Dandapani wrote:
>> When I modify the trigger, I noticed that postgres restarted. Not
>> sure
>> why, but it happens when it is being executed. This behaviour is
>> consistent.
>
> Restarted as in the database crashed??
>
> Is this actually being done with a trigger or with rules?
> --
> Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant      jnasby@pervasive.com
> Pervasive Software      http://pervasive.com    work: 512-231-6117
> vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf       cell: 512-569-9461
>
> ---------------------------(end of
> broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to
>        choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not
>        match
>

--
Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant      jnasby@pervasive.com
Pervasive Software      http://pervasive.com    work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf       cell: 512-569-9461