Re: Custom ordering operator for type xid

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От Alexander Lipatov
Тема Re: Custom ordering operator for type xid
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Msg-id E0FDD879-BB8A-44DC-A06E-02296A95B485@mindbox.cloud
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Ответ на Re: Custom ordering operator for type xid  (Rui DeSousa <rui.desousa@icloud.com>)
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Yes exactly. And in Postgres they use xmin as an analogue of SQL Server rowversion/timestamp ([docs](https://www.npgsql.org/efcore/modeling/concurrency.html?tabs=data-annotations)).

Ok, I think I'll wait for their response and won't do anything questionable on the part of Postgres itself. Thank you!

17 июня 2024 г., в 18:33, Rui DeSousa <rui.desousa@icloud.com> написал(а):



On Jun 17, 2024, at 11:03 AM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:

Alexander Lipatov <lipatov@mindbox.cloud> writes:
**Question**: Is it safe to create custom ordering operators for the `xid` type and a default operator class with these operators?

I wouldn't do it, mainly because the semantics of what you've written
have nothing to do with the actual behavior of xids.  (The real
comparison behavior is "circular", which can't be modeled as a total
order, which is why there's not a built-in opclass already.)

What is that ORM doing with XIDs anyway, and is there a good reason
not to run away screaming from such an ill-thought-out product?
I don't believe for a minute that this is going to be the only
semantic issue you'll run into with an ORM that thinks it knows
how XIDs behave despite a clear lack of even the most minimal
investigation into the question.

regards, tom lane




Assuming they are using it for opportunist locking.  I have use this method before but not with a system column.

i.e.

1. Application fetches the record with an xmin of 55, no need to maintain an open transaction:  select xmin, * from table where id = 8;  
2. Application edits record
3. Application saves record:  update table set col1 = ‘x’ where id = 8 and xmin = 55;
4. If the record was updated by another session then xmin would be different, the save would fail by updating zero records, and user would have to reedit the record.

Not a fan of ORMs myself but I think opportunist locking has its place.


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