Re: Default setting for enable_hashagg_disk

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От David G. Johnston
Тема Re: Default setting for enable_hashagg_disk
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Msg-id CAKFQuwaG4YPKVW7=j5H7q9-Pmf2whSKVTq5SCNchTO62oujN7w@mail.gmail.com
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Ответ на Re: Default setting for enable_hashagg_disk  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Ответы Re: Default setting for enable_hashagg_disk  (Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>)
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On Saturday, July 11, 2020, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
"David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:47 PM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> It seems like a lot of the disagreement here is focused on Peter's
>> proposal to make hash_mem_multiplier default to 2.0.  But it doesn't
>> seem to me that that's a critical element of the proposal.  Why not just
>> make it default to 1.0, thus keeping the default behavior identical
>> to what it is now?

> If we don't default it to something other than 1.0 we might as well just
> make it memory units and let people decide precisely what they want to use
> instead of adding the complexity of a multiplier.

Not sure how that follows?  The advantage of a multiplier is that it
tracks whatever people might do to work_mem automatically.


I was thinking that setting -1 would basically do that.


  In general
I'd view work_mem as the base value that people twiddle to control
executor memory consumption.  Having to also twiddle this other value
doesn't seem especially user-friendly.

I’ll admit I don’t have a feel for what is or is not user-friendly when setting these GUCs in a session to override the global defaults.  But as far as the global defaults I say it’s a wash between (32mb, -1) -> (32mb, 48mb) and (32mb, 1.0) -> (32mb, 1.5)

If you want 96mb for the session/query hash setting it to 96mb is invariant, whilesetting it to 3.0 means it can change in the future if the system work_mem changes.  Knowing the multiplier is 1.5 and choosing 64mb for work_mem in the session is possible but also mutable and has side-effects.  If the user is going to set both values to make it invariant we are back to it being a wash.

I don’t believe using a multiplier will promote better comprehension for why this setting exists compared to “-1 means use work_mem but you can override a subset if you want.”

Is having a session level memory setting be mutable something we want to introduce?

Is it more user-friendly?

>> If we find that's a poor default, we can always change it later;
>> but it seems to me that the evidence for a higher default is
>> a bit thin at this point.

> So "your default is 1.0 unless you installed the new database on or after
> 13.4 in which case it's 2.0"?

What else would be new?  See e.g. 848ae330a.  (Note I'm not suggesting
that we'd change it in a minor release.)

Minor release update is what I had thought, and to an extent was making possible by not using the multiplier upfront.

I agree options are wide open come v14 and beyond.

David J.

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