Re: User's responsibility when using a chain of "immutable" functions?

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От Pavel Stehule
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Ответ на Re: User's responsibility when using a chain of "immutable" functions?  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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st 29. 6. 2022 v 7:46 odesílatel Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> napsal:
Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com> writes:
> st 29. 6. 2022 v 6:28 odesílatel Bryn Llewellyn <bryn@yugabyte.com> napsal:
>> Moreover, this "hermetic" property of a to-be-immutable function can be
>> established only by human analysis of the function's source code.

> Our immutable functions are more tolerant than they should be - for real
> immutable functions we should disallow SQL inside functions (and everything
> that is not immutable (plpgsql_check raises warning in this case)), but it
> is allowed.

It's generally believed that Turing's proof of the undecidability of
the halting problem [1] implies that it's impossible to mechanically
prove or refute function properties like immutability.  Admittedly,
Turing was concerned with the most general case --- that is, he showed
that *there exist* cases for which no algorithm can give the right
answer, not that any specific practical case can't be proven.
Still, that result has discouraged most people from spending much
time on mechanically checking such things.  If you declare a function
immutable, Postgres will believe you; the consequences if you lied
are on your own head.

We cannot ensure that the function is immutable, but we can detect that the function is not very probably immutable (in execution time).

calling volatile function from immutable function
using SELECT from tables inside immutable function

This is a clear violation of some "protocol". I know why it is, and I don't propose change, because it can break thousands of applications. And for some specific cases the strong restrictivity can be safe but not practical.




                        regards, tom lane

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem

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