Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables)

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Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables)
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Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
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Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Alexander Korotkov <aekorotkov@gmail.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Ronan Dunklau <rdunklau@gmail.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: postgres_fdw vs data formatting GUCs (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Daniel Farina <daniel@heroku.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: Column defaults for foreign tables (was Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Erik Rijkers" <er@xs4all.nl>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Albe Laurenz <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables "Albe Laurenz" <laurenz.albe@wien.gv.at>
Re: [v9.3] writable foreign tables Kohei KaiGai <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Tom Lane wrote:
> Yeah, I'm drifting towards the position that we should just define the
> defaults as being whatever they are locally, rather than trying to be
> cute about supporting remotely-executed defaults.  It looks to me like
> if we try to do the latter, we're going to have pitfalls and weird
> corner cases that will never be quite transparent.  There's also the
> argument that this'd be a lot of work that benefits only some FDWs,
> since the whole concept of remote column defaults doesn't apply when
> the FDW's data source isn't a traditional RDBMS.

That was my first thought on the topic, to have a solution that
is simple (if not perfect).
Your argument that it would be unpleasant to lose the ability
to use sequence-generated remote default values made me reconsider.

But there is a workaround, namely to use a trigger before insert
to generate an automatic primary key (e.g. if the inserted value is
NULL).
Maybe it would be good to add a few hints at workarounds like that
to the documentation if it's going to be local defaults.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe


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