Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates
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Joe Conway
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Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates
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[18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Isaac Morland <isaac.morland@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates "Daniel Verite" <daniel@manitou-mail.org>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Re: [18] Policy on IMMUTABLE functions and Unicode updates Jeremy Schneider <schneider@ardentperf.com>
On 7/23/24 15:26, Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: >> Also, Noah has pointed out that C.UTF-8 introduces some >> forward-compatibility hazards of its own, at least with respect to >> ctype semantics. I don't have a clear view of what ought to be done >> about that, but if we just replace a dependency on an unstable set of >> libc definitions with a dependency on an equally unstable set of >> PostgreSQL definitions, we're not really winning. > > No, I think we *are* winning, because the updates are not "equally > unstable": with pg_c_utf8, we control when changes happen. We can > align them with major releases and release-note the differences. > With libc-based collations, we have zero control and not much > notification. +1 >> Do we need to version the new ctype provider? > > It would be a version for the underlying Unicode definitions, > not the provider as such, but perhaps yes. I don't know to what > extent doing so would satisfy Noah's concern; but if it would do > so I'd be happy with that answer. I came to the same conclusion. I think someone mentioned somewhere on this thread that other databases support multiple Unicode versions. I think we need to figure out how to do that too. -- Joe Conway PostgreSQL Contributors Team RDS Open Source Databases Amazon Web Services: https://aws.amazon.com
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