Re: PostgreSQL Certified Engineer program ...
От | Susanne Ebrecht |
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Тема | Re: PostgreSQL Certified Engineer program ... |
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Msg-id | 4F8E803E.20207@2ndquadrant.com обсуждение исходный текст |
Ответ на | Re: PostgreSQL Certified Engineer program ... (Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>) |
Список | pgsql-advocacy |
Am 17.04.2012 19:02, schrieb Josh Berkus: > I don't think this is a reasonable stance to take in the absence of any > community-approved certification. Certifications are a genuine need, > and if the community isn't going to fullfill them, we should at lease > encourage vendors to do so. > > Maybe this is a business opportunity for 2Q, eh? > We discussed certification topic already more often inner the community within the last decade. Honestly I am already tired to discuss it. The result always was that making trainings and certifications is an area with which contributors can make money. Something with which they are able to finance their hobby. Hobby named PostgreSQL contribution. So yes - everybody - every company - is allowed to create their own certifications. Doesn't matter if EDB, 2ndQ, PgX or whoever else. During my time at Sun we also worked on topic creating Sun PostgreSQL certs. A Sun certification on topic PostgreSQL. Speaking in trees the root was Sun certs. The idea was that you could make different Sun certs e.g. for Solaris, Java, PostgreSQL and JavaDB. My opinion is - when you have a certification program in your product range then it should not just be named "PostgreSQL Certification". It should be clear given in the title that it isn't a community certification. It should be clear that it is one of the certifications of your company certification program. You should point out your company name in the title. E.g. "2ndQuadrant Certification - PostgreSQL 9.1 Development" or "EnterpriseDB PostgreSQL Certification" It should be clear pointed out that it is a company certification on topic xyz. That the root is company-name certs. Taking sales / marketing viewpoint: Creating certification is a huge effort. It cost immense time and it is really expensive. Education is a local topic. Every country - every region has a different way to educate their kids. The way you learned to learn as kid is with which you feel familiar when you learn stuff as adult. When you look into certs from big global companies - they are usually based on US education. Creating certs seems to be so expensive that not even these big companies create country / language based certifications. Usually the certs not even are translated so that foreigners not only have to deal with the technical stuff they also have to deal with English. What I could figure out in 2008 / 2009 (I am not sure if it is still up to date): Some companies even forbid that foreigners are allowed to use a dictionary - because the cert companies want extra money when you allow using a dictionary. When you find a bug in your certs then the cert companies wants to get extra money for the update and so on. Anyway - the costs to create and publish certs are enormous. When you spend so much money and time into certs then you just want that your company name is on top in big letters. That your company will earn the honour. I think this is something on which you don't want to share the honour with the community. When you created great certs then you want that the users say EDB or 2ndQ or whoever else made great certs and you don't want that they just say Postgresql made great certs. Best Regards, Susanne -- Dipl. Inf. Susanne Ebrecht - 2ndQuadrant PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training and Services www.2ndQuadrant.com
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