Re: About PostgreSQL certification

Hi Theo

I find your statements about Postgres being a huge business risk pretty laughable. First of all, Postgres is based on
SQL92and SQL99 standards which means that most scripts are pretty much the same compared to MSSQL and Oracle. The only
thingI have seen to learn are the postgres datatypes. Big deal! PGAdmin III will write most scripts for you and that
toois pretty much free. I dealt with it when we started learning and using postgres. I only had experience in Oracle
andMSSQL.  

Also comparing Postgres to MYSQL is also pretty funny, since there are instances of MYSQL LOSING databases due to
corruptionbecause they do not have PITR and their transaction rollback feature did not work properly last time I
checked.This is really a issue of people being close minded to great database software and not being able to sell it to
theirsuperiors.  

This is the way I sold postgres to my boss. It is opensource (low cost), all the features of MSSQL and then some, WAY
FASTERthan MSSQL on a BSD platform, very good recovery when the database gets corrupted (this happens to all databases
fromuser error usually), and lastly you can always migrate the data to another database if you don't like postgres in
theend. 

John Zubac

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org
[mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Theo
Schlossnagle
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:20 PM
To: Joshua D. Drake
Cc: Theo Schlossnagle; Mark Kirkwood; David Fetter; Iannsp;
PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] About PostgreSQL certification



On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

>
>> Get a CCIE and tell me that again :-)  When you are handed a
>> complicated
>> network of routers and switches running all sorts of version of
>> IOS and
>> CatOS and you go to lunch, they break it and you have a certain time
>> allotment to fix it all.
>>
>> Most certifications are not simple multiple choice quizes.  Just the
>> ones you hear about -- the ones that suck.
>>
>>> I think seeing relevant training courses + experience on a CV trumps
>>> certification anytime - unfortunately a lot of folks out there are
>>> mesmerized by shiny certificates....
>>
>> Sure. But experience is very hard to get.  And since people with
>> PostgreSQL experience are limited, companies adopting it need a good
>> second option -- certified people.
>
> They aren't limited, just all employed ;)

I can't find 500, let alone 1000, people with extensive postgresql
experience in an enterprise environment.  Oracle has an order of
magnitude more.  MySQL even has better numbers than postgres in this
arena.  If you only want to hire people with extensive experience,
you're exposing yourself to an enormous business risk by adopting
postgres.  You'd have to hire out to a consulting company and if too
many do that, the consulting company will have scaling issues (as all
do).

The upside of Oracle is that I can hire out to a consulting company
for some things (particularly challenging scale or recovery issues)
and get someone who knows their way around Oracle reasonably well
(has performed _real_ disaster recovery in a hands on fashion,
performed hands-on query tuning, database sizing exercises, etc.) by
simply finding someone who is Oracle certified (all of those things
are part of the Oracle certification process).  Granted, just because
someone is certified doesn't mean they "fit" or will excel at the
problems you give them -- it's just a nice lower bar.  Granted you
can make a name for yourself as an expert without getting a
certification, but if you've made a name for yourself, you aren't
likely to be on the job market -- which is really my point.  Oracle's
certification programs have helped Oracle considerably in gaining the
number of Oracle professionals in the job market.  PostgreSQL
certification has the opportunity to do the same and in doing so
increase overall PostgreSQL adoption.  That's a good thing.

--
Theo

// Theo Schlossnagle
// CTO -- http://www.omniti.com/~jesus/
// OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. -- http://www.omniti.com/



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