Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.

От: Hannu Krosing
Тема: Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.
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Msg-id: 1279828566.14271.16.camel@hvost
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Ответ на: Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake")
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Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake")
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Need help in performance tuning.  (Harpreet singh Wadhwa, )
 Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
  Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Samuel Gendler, )
   Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
    Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Harpreet singh Wadhwa, )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Harpreet singh Wadhwa, )
      Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Jorge Montero", )
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    Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Brad Nicholson, )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
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       Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
        Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Matthew Wakeling, )
         Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
          Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Jorge Montero", )
           Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
         Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Greg Smith, )
          Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
           Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Josh Berkus, )
            Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
             Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
              Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Josh Berkus, )
               Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
                Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Matthew Wakeling, )
                 Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
                  Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Greg Smith, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tatsuo Ishii, )
                        Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )
                         Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tatsuo Ishii, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                  Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                  Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Andres Freund, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
                        Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                         Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
                        Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Vitalii Tymchyshyn, )
                        Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Josh Berkus, )
                         Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                          Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Tom Lane, )
                           Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Andres Freund, )
                           Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                            Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Josh Berkus, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
                  Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Andres Freund, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
                        Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Scott Carey, )
                    Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Joshua Tolley, )
                     Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Greg Smith, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Andres Freund, )
                      Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Craig Ringer, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Dimitri Fontaine, )
                       Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
                   Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Dimitri Fontaine, )
                 Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Magnus Hagander, )
             Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Scott Carey, )
            Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Samuel Gendler, )
          Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Jesper Krogh, )
           Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Greg Smith, )
            Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Pierre C", )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Mark Kirkwood, )
    Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Robert Haas, )
    Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
     Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Scott Marlowe, )
      Re: Need help in performance tuning.  ("Kevin Grittner", )
       Re: Need help in performance tuning.  (Hannu Krosing, )
 Re: Pooling in Core WAS: Need help in performance tuning.  (Rajesh Kumar Mallah, )

On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 12:15 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 14:36 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Craig Ringer
> > <> wrote:
> > > So rather than asking "should core have a connection pool" perhaps
> > > what's needed is to ask "what can an in-core pool do that an external
> > > pool cannot do?"
> >
> > Avoid sending every connection through an extra hop.
>
> Let's extend this shall we:
>
> Avoid adding yet another network hop

postgreSQL is multi-process, so you either have a separate "pooler
process" or need to put pooler functionality in postmaster, bothw ways
you still have a two-hop scenario for connect. you may be able to pass
the socket to child process and also keep it, but doing this for both
client and db sides seems really convoluted.

Or is there a prortable way to pass sockets back and forth between
parent and child processes ?

If so, then pgbouncer could use it as well.

> Remove of a point of failure

rather move the point of failure from external pooler to internal
pooler ;)

> Reduction of administrative overhead

Possibly. But once you start actually using it, you still need to
configure and monitor it and do other administrator-y tasks.

> Integration into our core authentication mechanisms

True, although for example having SSL on client side connection will be
so slow that it hides any performance gains from pooling, at least for
short-lived connections.

> Greater flexibility in connection control

Yes, poolers can be much more flexible than default postgresql. See for
example pgbouncers PAUSE , RECONFIGURE and RESUME commands

> And, having connection pooling in core does not eliminate the use of an
> external pool where it makes since.

Probably the easiest way to achieve "pooling in core" would be adding an
option to start pgbouncer under postmaster control.

You probably can't get much leaner than pgbouncer.

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