Обсуждение: Re: Local User Groups
Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions.- UmairOn Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:HI,I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.ThxManojOn 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com> wrote:On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:Hi,
I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.
Sincerely,
Manoj
Hi Umair,Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.).All,what do you think?
ValeriaOn Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com> wrote:Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions.- UmairOn Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:HI,I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.ThxManojOn 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com> wrote:On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:Hi,
I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.
Sincerely,
Manoj
Hi, On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com > <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote: > > Hi Umair, > > Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page. > Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on > the main website? > > I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it > here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least > provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would > liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, > think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the > community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for > information like that on the main website.). > > All, > what do you think? > > > Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only > useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have > some vague notion of how to search for it. > > +1 for the main page I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015. That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to modify a Wiki page than the website. Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual" page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that. Thanks, Jonathan
Hi Manoj,
I came to know that you are interested in create a user group here in Ireland.
I think we could unite efforts as I was thinking the same for over the past year, and I know more people that might be very interested.
Please feel free to reach me out directly so we can discuss the details on how we will organize it our first meeting.
Kind regards,
Vinícius
From: Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com>
Date: Monday 6 January 2020 at 09:57
To: Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com>
Cc: <usergroups@postgresql.org>, "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>, Dave Cramer <davecramer@gmail.com>, Paul Ramsey <pramsey@cleverelephant.ca>, Kerem Kızıltunç <kerem.kiziltunc@turkcell.com.tr>, Renee Phillips <renee.phillips@gmail.com>, Jan Karremans <jan.karremans@enterprisedb.com>, Chris Travers <chris.travers@gmail.com>, Laetitia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com>, "Teresa.Giacomini" <Teresa.Giacomini@microsoft.com>, Ervin Weber <webervin@gmail.com>, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>, Stacey Haysler <shayslerpgx@gmail.com>, Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uottawa.ca>, Sebastiaan Mannem <sebastiaan.mannem@enterprisedb.com>, Claire Giordano <Claire.Giordano@microsoft.com>, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>, Catherine Souque <catherine.souque@2ndquadrant.com>, Steven Pousty <steve.pousty@crunchydata.com>, <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Local User Groups
Hi Umair,
Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?
I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.).
All,
what do you think?
Valeria
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com> wrote:
Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions.
- Umair
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:
HI,
I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.
Thx
Manoj
On 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:
Hi,
I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.
Sincerely,
Manoj
Amazon Data Services Ireland Limited registered office: One Burlington Plaza, Burlington Road, Dublin 4, Ireland. Registered in Ireland. Registration number 390566.
On 6 Jan 2020, at 18:58, Schmidt, Vinicius <vinics@amazon.com> wrote:Hi Manoj,I came to know that you are interested in create a user group here in Ireland.I think we could unite efforts as I was thinking the same for over the past year, and I know more people that might be very interested.Please feel free to reach me out directly so we can discuss the details on how we will organize it our first meeting.Kind regards,ViníciusFrom: Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com>
Date: Monday 6 January 2020 at 09:57
To: Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com>
Cc: <usergroups@postgresql.org>, "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>, Dave Cramer <davecramer@gmail.com>, Paul Ramsey <pramsey@cleverelephant.ca>, Kerem Kızıltunç <kerem.kiziltunc@turkcell.com.tr>, Renee Phillips <renee.phillips@gmail.com>, Jan Karremans <jan.karremans@enterprisedb.com>, Chris Travers <chris.travers@gmail.com>, Laetitia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com>, "Teresa.Giacomini" <Teresa.Giacomini@microsoft.com>, Ervin Weber <webervin@gmail.com>, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>, Stacey Haysler <shayslerpgx@gmail.com>, Katherine Mcmillan <kmcmi046@uottawa.ca>, Sebastiaan Mannem <sebastiaan.mannem@enterprisedb.com>, Claire Giordano <Claire.Giordano@microsoft.com>, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>, Catherine Souque <catherine.souque@2ndquadrant.com>, Steven Pousty <steve.pousty@crunchydata.com>, <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Local User GroupsHi Umair,Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.).All,what do you think?ValeriaOn Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com> wrote:Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions.- UmairOn Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:HI,I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.ThxManojOn 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com> wrote:On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <manoj.kumarmr@ucdconnect.ie> wrote:Hi,
I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.
Sincerely,
ManojAmazon Data Services Ireland Limited registered office: One Burlington Plaza, Burlington Road, Dublin 4, Ireland. Registered in Ireland. Registration number 390566.
Hi,
On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Umair,
>
> Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
> Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
> the main website?
>
> I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
> here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
> provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
> liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
> think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
> community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
> information like that on the main website.).
>
> All,
> what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it.
>
> +1 for the main page
I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.
Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote:Hi,
On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Umair,
>
> Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
> Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
> the main website?
>
> I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
> here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
> provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
> like to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
> think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
> community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
> information like that on the main website.).
>
> All,
> what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it.
>
> +1 for the main page
I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.
Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick.
Thanks,
Jonathan
Sounds good,Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how. " to this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/Quick question,Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that?thanks,Valeria
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Umair Shahid <umair.shahid@gmail.com> wrote:On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote:Hi,
On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Umair,
>
> Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
> Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
> the main website?
>
> I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
> here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
> provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
> like to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
> think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
> community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
> information like that on the main website.).
>
> All,
> what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it.
>
> +1 for the main page
I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.
Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On 1/7/20 6:34 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com > <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote: > > Sounds good, > > Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how. > <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual> " to > this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ > > Quick question, > Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have > access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? > > thanks, > Valeria > > Joe or Magnus can help with that. I think there is a link on the wiki to > specifically ask for it but hopefully one of them sees this Which account name? It does not appear that the one associated with Valeria's email address has ever logged in to the wiki. Joe -- Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
On 1/7/20 6:34 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Sounds good,
>
> Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how.
> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual> " to
> this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/
>
> Quick question,
> Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have
> access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that?
>
> thanks,
> Valeria
>
> Joe or Magnus can help with that. I think there is a link on the wiki to
> specifically ask for it but hopefully one of them sees this
Which account name? It does not appear that the one associated with
Valeria's email address has ever logged in to the wiki.
Joe
--
Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com
PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises
Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
On 1/7/20 7:33 AM, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Thank you, Joe, Thanks -- all set, you are now an editor :-) Joe -- Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
Hi,
On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Umair,
>
> Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
> Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
> the main website?
>
> I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
> here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
> provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
> liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
> think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
> community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
> information like that on the main website.).
>
> All,
> what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it.
>
> +1 for the main page
I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.
Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.
Thanks,
Jonathan
I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to address the issue of not having any information about setting up and running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the updated wiki page text (see my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball rolling.
Thanks,
Valeria
Hi Jonathan, All,To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit.I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the postgres.org website PUG page:1. Small blurb at the top (see under creating a new user group)2. Starting your PUG (guides you through the process of creating all needed resources and announcing the group to the community)3. Holding your first meetup (talks about different organisational aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce)4. Holding more meetings (a general guidance on holding meetup series)5. Useful links (this needs more links, examples of active user group pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how to run them. If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the link to the wiki https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links or send it to this thread and I'll add.)I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of information, but I think it'd be too much for the website.It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be great.Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :)Cheers,ValeriaOn Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote:Hi,
On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com
> <mailto:vk@dataegret.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Umair,
>
> Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
> Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
> the main website?
>
> I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
> here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
> provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
> liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
> think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
> community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
> information like that on the main website.).
>
> All,
> what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it.
>
> +1 for the main page
I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.
That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.
Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.
Thanks,
Jonathan
Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it goes if nothing else. :) + Justin On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Hi All, > > I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to > address the issue of not having any information about setting up and > running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the > updated > wiki page text > <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see > my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have > time, > Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball > rolling. > > Thanks, > Valeria
On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote: > Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it > goes > if nothing else. :) > > + Justin > > > On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to >> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and >> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the >> updated >> wiki page text >> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see >> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, >> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball >> rolling. Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back. Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the website. I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it will be a very helpful resource! Jonathan
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Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back.
Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up
to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the
website.
I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it
will be a very helpful resource!
Jonathan
On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote:
> Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it
> goes
> if nothing else. :)
>
> + Justin
>
>
> On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to
>> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and
>> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the
>> updated
>> wiki page text
>> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see
>> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time,
>> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball
>> rolling.
Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back.
Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up
to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the
website.
I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it
will be a very helpful resource!
Jonathan
- Email the list pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org announcing that you would like to create a user group in your area and note if need funds setting up your meeting.com account.
- Email the list pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org announcing that you would like to create a user group in your area and note if need funds setting up your meeting.com account.