Обсуждение: better handling of alternate languages in wiki
Hi, So, with help from Stefan and the great guys at #wikimedia we now have the neat-looking links to FAQs in other languages, in the english FAQ and also in each translated FAQ. And it's updated automatically whenever someone adds another translation as a subpage (so wiki/FAQ/fr for the french translation, for example). Therefore I propose we use the Mediawiki multilanguage stuff for handling content in languages other than english. This is very easy -- we just need to add {{Languages}} to the top of each translated page, and put them in a subpage. So for example the spanish initial page should be wiki/Main_Page/es (in fact I already did that, and now wiki/Español is a redirect to that one). So, for a start this means that the main page needs to have a {{Languages}} inserted at the top; and the "Alternate Languages" subsection should probably be removed. Can I get some opinions on this? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Hi, Alvaro Herrera a écrit : > [...] > So, with help from Stefan and the great guys at #wikimedia we now have > the neat-looking links to FAQs in other languages, in the english FAQ > and also in each translated FAQ. And it's updated automatically > whenever someone adds another translation as a subpage (so wiki/FAQ/fr > for the french translation, for example). > I find this really interesting. > Therefore I propose we use the Mediawiki multilanguage stuff for > handling content in languages other than english. This is very easy -- > we just need to add {{Languages}} to the top of each translated page, > and put them in a subpage. So for example the spanish initial page > should be wiki/Main_Page/es (in fact I already did that, and now > wiki/Español is a redirect to that one). > > So, for a start this means that the main page needs to have a > {{Languages}} inserted at the top; I would prefer to see a box on the left, as wikipedia does. > and the "Alternate Languages" > subsection should probably be removed. > No. For example, in the french section, there are articles available only in French. I don't want to lose them. Where will I put them if the "alternate languages" subsection disappears? -- Guillaume.http://www.postgresqlfr.orghttp://dalibo.com
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > So, for a start this means that the main page needs to have a > {{Languages}} inserted at the top; and the "Alternate Languages" > subsection should probably be removed. > > Can I get some opinions on this? As I see it the major issue with that idea (which I don't object to in principle) is that those sections not only contain content that is only available in that language, but also content that is only relevant in that language - eg. links to other resources. Those issues should be relatively easy to overcome, but will need some coordination rather than simply swapping out the links on the front page. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Guillaume Lelarge a écrit : > Hi, > > Alvaro Herrera a écrit : >> [...] >> So, with help from Stefan and the great guys at #wikimedia we now have >> the neat-looking links to FAQs in other languages, in the english FAQ >> and also in each translated FAQ. And it's updated automatically >> whenever someone adds another translation as a subpage (so wiki/FAQ/fr >> for the french translation, for example). >> > > I find this really interesting. > >> Therefore I propose we use the Mediawiki multilanguage stuff for >> handling content in languages other than english. This is very easy -- >> we just need to add {{Languages}} to the top of each translated page, >> and put them in a subpage. So for example the spanish initial page >> should be wiki/Main_Page/es (in fact I already did that, and now >> wiki/Español is a redirect to that one). >> >> So, for a start this means that the main page needs to have a >> {{Languages}} inserted at the top; > > I would prefer to see a box on the left, as wikipedia does. > >> and the "Alternate Languages" >> subsection should probably be removed. >> > > No. For example, in the french section, there are articles available > only in French. I don't want to lose them. Where will I put them if the > "alternate languages" subsection disappears? > perhaps in the postgresql.fr website, and if the english version become avaible then move it to the wiki.postgresql.org ? I don't like see more things in french than in english in a website which is primary english. - -- Cédric Villemain Administrateur de Base de Données Cel: +33 (0)6 74 15 56 53 http://dalibo.com - http://dalibo.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+LFkACgkQo/dppWjpEvw9cgCg2sBCEPvH7WNmHqerUy0gWWpY 6wgAnRBPn1M7feSxeIQ3MhNYePjOOv2U =FJ8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Guillaume Lelarge wrote: > > So, for a start this means that the main page needs to have a > > {{Languages}} inserted at the top; > > I would prefer to see a box on the left, as wikipedia does. Well, Wikipedia has separate sites for each language (though they use "interwiki links" for the boxes on the left). If you see a way to make that work, feel free to point it out. > > and the "Alternate Languages" > > subsection should probably be removed. > > No. For example, in the french section, there are articles available > only in French. I don't want to lose them. Where will I put them if the > "alternate languages" subsection disappears? I don't mean to remove the actual pages, only the subsection in the main page that points to them; we would still have the language-specific content in the language-specific pages. I'm not suggesting any content change (and certainly I'm not suggesting to dike it out to a postgresqlfr.org page), only a presentation change. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support