Обсуждение: my signature
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Cédric Villemain <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > Robert, Please don't add confusion to your signature : PostgreSQL is a > community project not an enterprise product. > -- > Cédric Villemain 2ndQuadrant > http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support Uh, whoa. That came out of nowhere for me. I have been using this signature for about a year, and nobody's said anything about it before. "The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company" is our corporate slogan, and at least three of us have it in our signature for that reason, much as (or so I gather) "PostgreSQL: Support, Training, and Services" is 2ndQuadrant's tagline (with some variations depending on the primary language of the person posting), and "The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc." is CommandPrompt's tag line. Any of those slogans - and *especially* CommandPrompt's - could be taken to imply that one of those companies is the primary driving force behind PostgreSQL, but in fact - as we are all aware - no one company dominates the market for PostgreSQL products and services, or controls its development. Someone from another community could be forgiven for thinking that any of those taglines intend to imply that the associated company occupies the same position with respect to PostgreSQL that 10gen has with respect to MongoDB, but I don't see that any one of them is exponentially more egregious than any of the others. Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply that the rest of us are all chumps. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Apr 21, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply > that the rest of us are all chumps. Send me your résumé, we’ll talk. Best, David
On 04/21/2011 01:06 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > > Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply > that the rest of us are all chumps. > Not really. We don't claim to have all of them (yet). EDB on the other hand uses the definite article in its slogan, as does CommandPrompt. Seriously, though, this is really a non-issue. Let's move on. cheers andrew
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Cédric Villemain > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: >> Robert, Please don't add confusion to your signature : PostgreSQL is a >> community project not an enterprise product. >> -- >> Cédric Villemain 2ndQuadrant >> http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support > > Uh, whoa. That came out of nowhere for me. I have been using this > signature for about a year, and nobody's said anything about it > before. "The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company" is our corporate slogan, > and at least three of us have it in our signature for that reason, > much as (or so I gather) "PostgreSQL: Support, Training, and Services" > is 2ndQuadrant's tagline (with some variations depending on the > primary language of the person posting), and "The PostgreSQL Company - > Command Prompt, Inc." is CommandPrompt's tag line. Any of those > slogans - and *especially* CommandPrompt's - could be taken to imply > that one of those companies is the primary driving force behind > PostgreSQL, but in fact - as we are all aware - no one company > dominates the market for PostgreSQL products and services, or controls > its development. > > Someone from another community could be forgiven for thinking that any > of those taglines intend to imply that the associated company occupies > the same position with respect to PostgreSQL that 10gen has with > respect to MongoDB, but I don't see that any one of them is > exponentially more egregious than any of the others. > > Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply > that the rest of us are all chumps. Actually, I found it unprofessional as well. Merlin Moncure Resident PostgreSQL Badass
Merlin Moncure wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, C?dric Villemain > > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Robert, Please don't add confusion to your signature : PostgreSQL is a > >> community project not an enterprise product. > >> -- > >> C?dric Villemain? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 2ndQuadrant > >> http://2ndQuadrant.fr/? ?? PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support > > > > Uh, whoa. ?That came out of nowhere for me. ?I have been using this > > signature for about a year, and nobody's said anything about it > > before. ?"The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company" is our corporate slogan, > > and at least three of us have it in our signature for that reason, > > much as (or so I gather) "PostgreSQL: Support, Training, and Services" > > is 2ndQuadrant's tagline (with some variations depending on the > > primary language of the person posting), and "The PostgreSQL Company - > > Command Prompt, Inc." is CommandPrompt's tag line. ?Any of those > > slogans - and *especially* CommandPrompt's - could be taken to imply > > that one of those companies is the primary driving force behind > > PostgreSQL, but in fact - as we are all aware - no one company > > dominates the market for PostgreSQL products and services, or controls > > its development. > > > > Someone from another community could be forgiven for thinking that any > > of those taglines intend to imply that the associated company occupies > > the same position with respect to PostgreSQL that 10gen has with > > respect to MongoDB, but I don't see that any one of them is > > exponentially more egregious than any of the others. > > > > Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply > > that the rest of us are all chumps. > > Actually, I found it unprofessional as well. > > Merlin Moncure > Resident PostgreSQL Badass "Postgres Enterprise Badass Expert Services Company" ;-) -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Merlin Moncure wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, C?dric Villemain > > > <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Robert, Please don't add confusion to your signature : PostgreSQL is a > > >> community project not an enterprise product. > > >> -- > > >> C?dric Villemain? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 2ndQuadrant > > >> http://2ndQuadrant.fr/? ?? PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support > > > > > > Uh, whoa. ?That came out of nowhere for me. ?I have been using this > > > signature for about a year, and nobody's said anything about it > > > before. ?"The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company" is our corporate slogan, > > > and at least three of us have it in our signature for that reason, > > > much as (or so I gather) "PostgreSQL: Support, Training, and Services" > > > is 2ndQuadrant's tagline (with some variations depending on the > > > primary language of the person posting), and "The PostgreSQL Company - > > > Command Prompt, Inc." is CommandPrompt's tag line. ?Any of those > > > slogans - and *especially* CommandPrompt's - could be taken to imply > > > that one of those companies is the primary driving force behind > > > PostgreSQL, but in fact - as we are all aware - no one company > > > dominates the market for PostgreSQL products and services, or controls > > > its development. > > > > > > Someone from another community could be forgiven for thinking that any > > > of those taglines intend to imply that the associated company occupies > > > the same position with respect to PostgreSQL that 10gen has with > > > respect to MongoDB, but I don't see that any one of them is > > > exponentially more egregious than any of the others. > > > > > > Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply > > > that the rest of us are all chumps. > > > > Actually, I found it unprofessional as well. > > > > Merlin Moncure > > Resident PostgreSQL Badass > > "Postgres Enterprise Badass Expert Services Company" ;-) Oops, I forgot the "the": The Postgres Enterprise Badass Expert Services Company -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
Le 21 avril 2011 20:17, Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net> a écrit : > > > On 04/21/2011 01:06 PM, Robert Haas wrote: >> >> Heck, even the name "PostgreSQL Experts, Inc." could be taken to imply >> that the rest of us are all chumps. >> > > Not really. We don't claim to have all of them (yet). EDB on the other hand > uses the definite article in its slogan, as does CommandPrompt. > > Seriously, though, this is really a non-issue. Let's move on. Yes, please. Robert, it wasn't well phrased and I apologize for the bad choice of my words. > > cheers > > andrew > -- Cédric Villemain 2ndQuadrant http://2ndQuadrant.fr/ PostgreSQL : Expertise, Formation et Support
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Cédric Villemain <cedric.villemain.debian@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, please. > Robert, it wasn't well phrased and I apologize for the bad choice of my words. No problem. Please be assured that I have no desire to make it appear that EnterpriseDB is the only PostgreSQL company out there. I've been using PostgreSQL for far longer than I have been with EnterpriseDB, far longer than EnterpriseDB has existed, and given that we don't live in an era of lifetime employment and still have many years of work ahead of me, it's likely that I will work for lots of other companies before I retire where I will probably also use (and hopefully continue to hack on) PostgreSQL. Of course, for so long as I am working here, I will be putting my efforts toward making the company as successful as I can, which I think is what we all do for whoever is paying us at the moment. I really like working in an open community that spans multiple companies, because no company I have ever worked for has had nearly as many smart people as the PostgreSQL community does, and no software project that I have ever worked on has been as enjoyable for me as PostgreSQL is. I guess it's natural that there will be some tension since we are all competitors in some sense, but hopefully friendly ones. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company