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FOREIGN KEY !!!!!

От
wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Дата:
We got a little dispute in the FKEY project :-)
   In  section 11.9, the SQL3 draft explicitly discribes what to   do for referential actions ON DELETE  and  ON
UPDATE. First   there seems to be an incompatibility between SQL3 and SQL-92.   While Date describes and Oracle
implementsNO ACTION to raise   an  exception  if  a  PK delete leaves an unsatisfied foreign   key, the SQL3 specs
explicitlydefine that behaviour for  the   RESTRICT action.
 
   Second,  there's absolutely nothing said about anything to do   for NO ACTION in SQL3. Thus,  our  current
implementaion in   fact  doesn't  do  anything meaningful. That makes it totally   legal, to delete a  PK  leaving  an
unsatisfied FK  behind,   resulting  in  an  in  fact  violation.  And NO ACTION is the   default if no referential
actions given  explicitly  in  the   schema.
 
   Don  Baccus  now  suggested, to interpret NO ACTION as "if it   would result in a  violation,  then  silently
rollback this   update  for  the PK row in question".  Not to speak about the   technical problems arising from an
attemptto do so,  but  as   said,  such  a  behaviour  is  nowhere  mentioned in the SQL3   draft.  OTOH it would close
thepossible  violation  hole  in   our implementation of FOREIGN KEY.
 
   What  do others think about it? We need a decision urgent, or   going for the suppress/rollback will cause a
release delay,   definitely.
 


Jan

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Re: [HACKERS] FOREIGN KEY !!!!!

От
Don Baccus
Дата:
At 09:04 PM 2/5/00 +0100, Jan Wieck wrote:
>We got a little dispute in the FKEY project :-)

Etc...Jan and I have crossed a couple of e-mails.

After he and I tossed our thoughts back-and-forth it appeared
to both of us that SQL3 seemed to be defining "NO ACTION"
differently than in SQL92.

Then I remembered that Date's SQL92 primer has an appendix
on SQL3.   I could've saved us all a bunch of trouble if I
remembered earlier...

By the time you and I read this, Jan and I might well be in
"what exactly should we implement now that we know how it is
SUPPOSED to work" mode, rather than "how is it supposed to
work?" mode.

For those into self-flagellation and other forms of self-inflicted
pain, spend an hour or so with the SQL3 standard trying to figure
out how "NO ACTION" is supposed to work and how it differs from
"RESTRICT" before cheating and reading this excerpt from Date.

Here's my note to Jan that he didn't quite have a chance to read
before posting to the hacker's list:

"OK, mystery solved, I remembered that Date has an appendix on SQL3.
Fortunately, he has a short section on "RESTRICT" vs. "NO ACTION".

We're all wrong :)

>From his SQL3 appendix...

F.4 INTEGRITY

Referential Action RESTRICT

In addition to ... CASCADE, SET NULL [etc] ... SQL3 supports
a new [referential action] RESTRICT.  RESTRICT is very similar - but
not quite identical - to NO ACTION.  The subtle difference between
them is as follows.  Note: to fix our ideas, we concentrate here
on the delete rule; the implications for the update rule are
essentially similar.

o Let T1 and T2 be the referenced table and the referencing table, respectively; let R1 be a row of T1, let R2 be a row
ofT2 that corresponds to row R1 under the referential  constraint in question.  What happens if an attempt is made to
deleterow R1?
 

o Under NO ACTION [equiv. to SQL92] the system - conceptually, at least - actually performs the requested DELETE,
discoversrow R2 now violates the constraint, and so undoes the DELETE.
 

o Under RESTRICT, by contrast, the system realizes "ahead of time" that row R2 exists and will violate the constraint
ifR1 is deleted, and so rejects the DELETE out of hand.
 
"

The standard also mentions (I've dug around a bit) that RESTRICT
raises a "restrict violation" exception.  The "NO ACTION" case
conceptually might raise an "integrity constraint violation"
instead, and perhaps to be compliant MUST raise that constraint.




- Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza@pacifier.com> Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest Rare Bird Alert
Serviceand other goodies at http://donb.photo.net.
 


Re: [HACKERS] FOREIGN KEY !!!!!

От
wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Дата:
> o Under RESTRICT, by contrast, the system realizes "ahead of
>   time" that row R2 exists and will violate the constraint if
>   R1 is deleted, and so rejects the DELETE out of hand.
   That'd mean in last consequence, that RESTRICT actions aren't   DEFERRABLE, while the rest of their constraint
definitionis!   Anyway,  cannot  work  with  the actual implementation of the   trigger queue, so we could either make
RESTRICTand NO ACTION   identical (except for different ERROR messages), or leave the   SQL3 RESTRICT out of 7.0 while
changingNO ACTION to fire the   message.
 
   I'd  prefer  to have them identical in 7.0, because according   to Date they have no semantic difference,  so  it'll
buy  us   little  if we complicate the trigger stuff more than required   right now.
 


Jan

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Re: [HACKERS] FOREIGN KEY !!!!!

От
Don Baccus
Дата:
At 09:30 PM 2/5/00 +0100, Jan Wieck wrote:
>> o Under RESTRICT, by contrast, the system realizes "ahead of
>>   time" that row R2 exists and will violate the constraint if
>>   R1 is deleted, and so rejects the DELETE out of hand.

>    That'd mean in last consequence, that RESTRICT actions aren't
>    DEFERRABLE, while the rest of their constraint definition is!

That's how I read it, too.  Pardon me while I run off to vomit in
the toilet.

>    Anyway,  cannot  work  with  the actual implementation of the
>    trigger queue, so we could either make RESTRICT and NO ACTION
>    identical (except for different ERROR messages), or leave the
>    SQL3 RESTRICT out of 7.0 while changing NO ACTION to fire the
>    message.

>    I'd  prefer  to have them identical in 7.0, because according
>    to Date they have no semantic difference,  so  it'll  buy  us
>    little  if we complicate the trigger stuff more than required
>    right now.

If others on the list agree, I think this is an excellent idea.  I
see no semantic difference that the application will see, either,
other than a difference in execution time.

Raising the exception before the delete or update seems more an efficiency
hack than anything, i.e. it's much less expensive to short-circuit the
delete/update rather than finish it, check afterwards, and roll it
back.




- Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza@pacifier.com> Nature photos, on-line guides, Pacific Northwest Rare Bird Alert
Serviceand other goodies at http://donb.photo.net.