Обсуждение: Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:26:42 GMT, Stephan Szabo <sszabo@bigpanda.com>
wrote:
>"Robert G" <robertg07@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>Mike Cox wrote:
>>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>>> unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.general
>>>
>>> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
>>> a worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
>>comp.databases.postgresql.general.
>>> This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
>>> Procedural details are below.
>>
>>Hello Mike. A number of us from the mailing list have been discussing
>>this on the back channel (e-mail). At least ten people that I am aware
>>of are not in favor of this idea. Your efforts are appreciated, to a
>>point, but I do prefer if you just left things well enough alone. You
>>took this initiative without notifying the mailing list proper. I saw
>>that you posted to the Newsgroup side, but your posts did not reach the
>>e-list. It is one-sided, and many of us prefer to keep it that way. A
>
>I personally haven't seen too much discussion on this subject on the mailing
>list proper, either (perhaps because the weekend traffic tends to be low) so
>I think it's too early to be saying things like "many of us" speaking for the
>mailing list.
>
>Besides which, AFAICT the mailing list gateway is not one-sided given that
>I seem to be able to post to my usenet server giving my subscribed email
>address and have it show up on the mailing list.
The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is
able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the
problem.
>As far as I know, Marc
>does moderator checking of messages that aren't from subscribed
>addresses which is why we get some portion of the back-dated
>messages. It's possible that there might be issues with falsified
>addresses or the potentially increased volume of messages, but I
>haven't seen anything concrete either direction on that from the person
>it would directly affect.
Fixing the problem or removing it would be best. Again, you're only
looking at it from the mailing list point of view. Frankly, that's
rude.
>>After discussing the situation with my colleagues, we went ahead and
>>created an alt* group for postgresql. This new group will probably show
>
>Why is this any better to have done without any public discussion on the
>mailing list than the RFD in the first place?
It wasn't. It was yet anoter dumb thing to do.
>At least the RFD would move
>the list to being properly officially connect to usenet rather than making
>a new group that will likely not attract a large percentage of the people
>that answer the -general questions.
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is > able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the > problem. As long as the posting gets to the gateway, it gets put into the moderator (me) queue for approval ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
At 04:29 PM 11/7/2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > >>The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is >>able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the >>problem. > >As long as the posting gets to the gateway, it gets put into the moderator >(me) queue for approval ... Which is why the groups should be moderated. That'd fix a major part of the problem. As it is now, the post will be on the usenet group but not necessarily in the email group.
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: > At 04:29 PM 11/7/2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote: >> >>> The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is >>> able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the >>> problem. >> >> As long as the posting gets to the gateway, it gets put into the moderator >> (me) queue for approval ... > > > Which is why the groups should be moderated. That'd fix a major part of the > problem. As it is now, the post will be on the usenet group but not > necessarily in the email group. Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On 2004-11-08, Woodchuck Bill <bwr607@hotmail.com> wrote:
> scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
> news:20041107235943.E93613@ganymede.hub.org:
>
>> Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
>> post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
>> *shrug*
>
> The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
> but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
> newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.
>
> Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the
crosspost.
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Andrew - Supernews wrote:
> On 2004-11-08, Woodchuck Bill <bwr607@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
>> news:20041107235943.E93613@ganymede.hub.org:
>>
>>> Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
>>> post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
>>> *shrug*
>>
>> The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
>> but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
>> newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.
>>
>> Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
>
> He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the
> crosspost.
Exactly, thanks Andrew :)
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:29:28 -0400 (AST), scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc
G. Fournier") wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
>> The groups aren't listed as moderated. Anyone who wants to post is
>> able to. Those not on the mailing list don't go through. That's the
>> problem.
>
>As long as the posting gets to the gateway, it gets put into the
>moderator (me) queue for approval ...
If the group was explicitly marked as moderated, then all posts would
be sent directly to you. The content of both the mailing list and
newsgroup would be identical, so that whichever a participant chose to
use would be a matter of preferred interface.
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Jim Riley
scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
news:20041107235943.E93613@ganymede.hub.org:
> Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
> post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
> *shrug*
The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.
Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
Andrew - Supernews <andrew+nonews@supernews.com> wrote in news:slrncovpir.2rvk.andrew+nonews@trinity.supernews.net: >> Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies. > > He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the > crosspost. > He can make a nominal effort and post *something* to news.groups. -- Bill
On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 05:28:57PM +0000, Woodchuck Bill wrote:
> scrappy@postgresql.org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
> news:20041107235943.E93613@ganymede.hub.org:
>
> > Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
> > post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
> > *shrug*
>
> The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
> but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
> newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.
>
> Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
I'm on the mailing list and I'm not seeing news.groups in any of the
usual headers. It does sometimes appear in a seperate header
"Newsgroups". Besides, my mailer doesn't post to newsgroups so I'd have
to setup a newsreader just for that. I'd be surprised if I were the
only one...
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