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UPDATE and outer joins

От
Harry Broomhall
Дата:
   I wonder if anybody could give me a few pointers on a problem I face.

   I need to do an UPDATE on table A, from an effective left outer join
on A and another table B.  (This is trying to perform a number translation,
where the items that need it are rare.)

   The following points *I think* are relevant:

1)  The FROM clause in UPDATE should *only* show additional tables,
    otherwise I'll get an extra join I didn't want!  (IMHO this could do
    with being emphasised in the docs.)

2)  If a FROM clause is present, but no WHERE clause, a cross join is performed.

3)  It is possible to 'emulate' an inner join with statements in a WHERE
    clause, but is *not* possible to do so for an outer join. (4.2.2 in the
    User's Guide)

    If I have the above correct then it seems that there is no way to do
an UPDATE in the way I want in a single statement?  I am currently
doing a left outer join into a temporary file, then the UPDATE, but this
involves two joins!

    Is there a better way of doing this, or do I have to keep using the
temporary file?

    Regards,
        Harry.


Re: UPDATE and outer joins

От
Bruno Wolff III
Дата:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:23:04 +0100,
  Harry Broomhall <harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
>    I wonder if anybody could give me a few pointers on a problem I face.
>
>    I need to do an UPDATE on table A, from an effective left outer join
> on A and another table B.  (This is trying to perform a number translation,
> where the items that need it are rare.)
>
>    The following points *I think* are relevant:
>
> 1)  The FROM clause in UPDATE should *only* show additional tables,
>     otherwise I'll get an extra join I didn't want!  (IMHO this could do
>     with being emphasised in the docs.)

But that might be the best approach. If you do a left join of A with B in
the where clause and then an inner join of that result with A you should
get what you want. If the optimizer does a good job, it may not even be
much of a hit to do that.

Re: UPDATE and outer joins

От
Manfred Koizar
Дата:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:23:04 +0100 (BST), Harry Broomhall
<harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
>I am currently
>doing a left outer join into a temporary file, then the UPDATE, but this
>involves two joins!

    UPDATE a
       SET col1 = b.col11, col2 = b.col12
      FROM a AS x LEFT JOIN b ON (x.??? = b.???)
     WHERE a.pk = x.pk;

might not run faster, but at least it is only one statement and you
don't have to care for temporary tables ...

Servus
 Manfred

Re: UPDATE and outer joins

От
Harry Broomhall
Дата:
Bruno Wolff III writes:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:23:04 +0100,
>   Harry Broomhall <harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
> >    I wonder if anybody could give me a few pointers on a problem I face.
> >
> >    I need to do an UPDATE on table A, from an effective left outer join
> > on A and another table B.  (This is trying to perform a number translation,
> > where the items that need it are rare.)
> >
> >    The following points *I think* are relevant:
> >
> > 1)  The FROM clause in UPDATE should *only* show additional tables,
> >     otherwise I'll get an extra join I didn't want!  (IMHO this could do
> >     with being emphasised in the docs.)
>
> But that might be the best approach. If you do a left join of A with B in
> the where clause and then an inner join of that result with A you should
> get what you want. If the optimizer does a good job, it may not even be
> much of a hit to do that.

  Er - I though that was one of the points I made - you can't get a
left join in a WHERE clause?  If I am wrong about that then could you
indicate how I might do it?

  I presumed that the left join would have to be in the FROM clause, i.e.:

UPDATE A set cli = num FROM A left join B on (details) WHERE (etc)

  I tried this approach early on, and now I think about it I realize I
didn't have a WHERE clause - which would have done a cross join which would
have taken forever!

  Regards,
    Harry.


Re: UPDATE and outer joins

От
Bruno Wolff III
Дата:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 15:40:13 +0100,
  Harry Broomhall <harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III writes:
> > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 12:23:04 +0100,
> >   Harry Broomhall <harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
> > >    I wonder if anybody could give me a few pointers on a problem I face.
> > >
> > >    I need to do an UPDATE on table A, from an effective left outer join
> > > on A and another table B.  (This is trying to perform a number translation,
> > > where the items that need it are rare.)
> > >
> > >    The following points *I think* are relevant:
> > >
> > > 1)  The FROM clause in UPDATE should *only* show additional tables,
> > >     otherwise I'll get an extra join I didn't want!  (IMHO this could do
> > >     with being emphasised in the docs.)
> >
> > But that might be the best approach. If you do a left join of A with B in
> > the where clause and then an inner join of that result with A you should
> > get what you want. If the optimizer does a good job, it may not even be
> > much of a hit to do that.
>
>   Er - I though that was one of the points I made - you can't get a
> left join in a WHERE clause?  If I am wrong about that then could you
> indicate how I might do it?

I slipped on that. I did mean that you could do left join in the from item
list and then join that to the table be updated by using an appropiate
where condition.

>
>   I presumed that the left join would have to be in the FROM clause, i.e.:
>
> UPDATE A set cli = num FROM A left join B on (details) WHERE (etc)
>
>   I tried this approach early on, and now I think about it I realize I
> didn't have a WHERE clause - which would have done a cross join which would
> have taken forever!

Someone else responded with the same suggestion, but a bit more fleshed out.

Re: UPDATE and outer joins

От
Harry Broomhall
Дата:
Manfred Koizar writes:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:23:04 +0100 (BST), Harry Broomhall
> <harry.broomhall@uk.easynet.net> wrote:
> >I am currently
> >doing a left outer join into a temporary file, then the UPDATE, but this
> >involves two joins!
>
>     UPDATE a
>        SET col1 = b.col11, col2 = b.col12
>       FROM a AS x LEFT JOIN b ON (x.??? = b.???)
>      WHERE a.pk = x.pk;
>
> might not run faster, but at least it is only one statement and you
> don't have to care for temporary tables ...


   Many thanks to all who made suggestions.  The above gave me enough
clues to get a working UPDATE query working.

   It is a shame it can't be done in a single join though!

   Regards,
       Harry.