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Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Peter Keller
Дата:
Hi all,
I generated a table with a column type 'box', inserted some values and
created an index (ops_box) on that column, run a vacuum and looked with
the command EXPLAIN if the select will use the index.
And the result was very astonishing:
if I had inserted 120000 elements postgres will _NOT_ use the index, if
I had inserted 100000 elements postgres will use the index!
When I set the sequential search off ('set enable_seqscan off;')
postgres is using the index in both cases.
Has someone any idea what to do?
Peter

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Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Tom Lane
Дата:
Peter Keller <peter.keller@bvv.bayern.de> writes:
> I generated a table with a column type 'box', inserted some values and
> created an index (ops_box) on that column, run a vacuum and looked with
> the command EXPLAIN if the select will use the index.
> And the result was very astonishing:
> if I had inserted 120000 elements postgres will _NOT_ use the index, if
> I had inserted 100000 elements postgres will use the index!

Hmm.  The system's knowledge of selectivities for R-tree indexes is
essentially nil; perhaps someone will be motivated to improve that
someday.  In the meantime, the entirely bogus numbers returned by
src/backend/utils/adt/geo_selfuncs.c are supposed to be small enough
to ensure that R-trees are used if available.  What was your test
query exactly, and what do you get from EXPLAIN with and without
forcing enable_seqscan off?

            regards, tom lane

Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Peter Keller
Дата:
Hi
>
> Hmm.  The system's knowledge of selectivities for R-tree indexes is
> essentially nil; perhaps someone will be motivated to improve that
> someday.  In the meantime, the entirely bogus numbers returned by
> src/backend/utils/adt/geo_selfuncs.c are supposed to be small enough
> to ensure that R-trees are used if available.  What was your test
> query exactly, and what do you get from EXPLAIN with and without
> forcing enable_seqscan off?
>
>                         regards, tom lane


Ok, I created a table with only one column (box), inserted 120000
elements, created an index and run a vacuum:

convert=# select count(*) from box_tmp;
 count
--------
 120000
(1 row)


convert=# explain select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
NOTICE:  QUERY PLAN:

Seq Scan on box_tmp  (cost=0.00..2500.00 rows=2400 width=32)

EXPLAIN


convert=#  set enable_seqscan = off;
SET VARIABLE


convert=# explain select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
NOTICE:  QUERY PLAN:

Index Scan using idx on box_tmp  (cost=0.00..2503.28 rows=2400 width=32)

EXPLAIN

I'm running  PostgreSQL 7.0.2 on i686-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by gcc
egcs-2.91.66

The result of the query if I set the sequential search on is this:

convert=# select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
pqReadData() -- backend closed the channel unexpectedly.
        This probably means the backend terminated abnormally
        before or while processing the request.
The connection to the server was lost. Attempting reset: Failed.
!#

Thanks for helping,
Peter


>
> Peter Keller <peter.keller@bvv.bayern.de> writes:
> > I generated a table with a column type 'box', inserted some values and
> > created an index (ops_box) on that column, run a vacuum and looked with
> > the command EXPLAIN if the select will use the index.
> > And the result was very astonishing:
> > if I had inserted 120000 elements postgres will _NOT_ use the index, if
> > I had inserted 100000 elements postgres will use the index!


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Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Tom Lane
Дата:
Peter Keller <peter.keller@bvv.bayern.de> writes:
> Ok, I created a table with only one column (box), inserted 120000
> elements, created an index and run a vacuum:

> convert=# explain select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
> NOTICE:  QUERY PLAN:
> Seq Scan on box_tmp  (cost=0.00..2500.00 rows=2400 width=32)

> convert=#  set enable_seqscan = off;
> SET VARIABLE

> convert=# explain select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
> NOTICE:  QUERY PLAN:

> Index Scan using idx on box_tmp  (cost=0.00..2503.28 rows=2400 width=32)

Oy vey, only three points difference in estimated costs.  What is
the actual measured runtime of each approach?

> The result of the query if I set the sequential search on is this:

> convert=# select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
> pqReadData() -- backend closed the channel unexpectedly.

Urk.  That's not supposed to happen.  There should be a core file
left in your PGDATA/base/dbname/ directory --- can you provide a
backtrace from that file using gdb?

            regards, tom lane

Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Peter Keller
Дата:
> > The result of the query if I set the sequential search on is this:
>
> > convert=# select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> > box('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'::box);
> > pqReadData() -- backend closed the channel unexpectedly.
>
> Urk.  That's not supposed to happen.  There should be a core file
> left in your PGDATA/base/dbname/ directory --- can you provide a
> backtrace from that file using gdb?
>
>                         regards, tom lane

No, I'm sorry, but there is no core file. I tried to debug the query and
this are the relults:

/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling reading 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling reading 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling writing 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: BackendStartup: pid 679 user postgres db
convert
socket 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster child[679]: starting with
(/opt/local/DWH/bin/post
gres -d2 -v131072 -p convert )
FindExec: found "/opt/local/DWH/bin/postgres" using argv[0]
started: host=localhost user=postgres database=convert
InitPostgres
StartTransactionCommand
query: SELECT usesuper FROM pg_user WHERE usename = 'postgres'
ProcessQuery
CommitTransactionCommand
StartTransactionCommand
query: select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525
,354028.115)'::box);
ProcessQuery
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: reaping dead processes...
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: CleanupProc: pid 679 exited with status
11
Server process (pid 679) exited with status 11 at Wed Oct 25 09:04:25
2000
Terminating any active server processes...
Server processes were terminated at Wed Oct 25 09:04:25 2000
Reinitializing shared memory and semaphores
shmem_exit(0)
binding ShmemCreate(key=52e325, size=1104896)
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling reading 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling reading 5
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling writing 5
The Data Base System is starting up
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: ServerLoop:         handling writing 5
DEBUG:  Data Base System is starting up at Wed Oct 25 09:04:25 2000
DEBUG:  Data Base System was interrupted being in production at Wed Oct
25 09:03
:52 2000
DEBUG:  Data Base System is in production state at Wed Oct 25 09:04:25
2000
proc_exit(0)
shmem_exit(0)
exit(0)
/opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: reaping dead processes...

Don't know if this is helping you
Peter


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Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Tom Lane
Дата:
Peter Keller <peter.keller@bvv.bayern.de> writes:
> No, I'm sorry, but there is no core file.

You're probably running one of those setups where the postmaster is
started with a ulimit setting that prevents core dumps.  You might
want to look into changing that for future debugging purposes.

> query: select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> ('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525
> ,354028.115)'::box);
> ProcessQuery
> /opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: reaping dead processes...
> /opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: CleanupProc: pid 679 exited with status
> 11

Now that I think about it, are there any NULL entries in box_tmp.ebre?
The box_overlap function, like practically all of the geometric
operators :-(, doesn't defend itself against NULL inputs in 7.0 and
earlier releases.  This is fixed for 7.1 but not in a way that could
readily be back-patched into 7.0.*.  If there are just specific
operators you need to use with NULL data, you could patch them yourself
in src/backend/utils/adt/geo_ops.c; for instance box_overlap would need
to start out with something like

    if (box1 == NULL || box2 == NULL)
        return false;

Alternatively, write your queries to avoid invoking && on a NULL, eg

select * from box_tbl where
case when ebre is not null then
  ebre && '(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525,354028.115)'
else false end;

This last is not only ugly but non-indexable, so it's only useful as
a very short-term hack...

            regards, tom lane

Re: Problems with genetic optimizer

От
Peter Keller
Дата:
> No, I'm sorry, but there is no core file.
>
> You're probably running one of those setups where the postmaster is
> started with a ulimit setting that prevents core dumps.  You might
> want to look into changing that for future debugging purposes.

Yes, you are right, I changed it in /etc/profile.

>
> > query: select * from box_tmp where ebre &&
> > ('(470758.555,354028.145),(470758.525
> > ,354028.115)'::box);
> > ProcessQuery
> > /opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: reaping dead processes...
> > /opt/local/DWH/bin/postmaster: CleanupProc: pid 679 exited with status
> > 11
>
> Now that I think about it, are there any NULL entries in box_tmp.ebre?
> The box_overlap function, like practically all of the geometric
> operators :-(, doesn't defend itself against NULL inputs in 7.0 and
> earlier releases.

YES!! I deleted the NULL entries. Now it works. Thanks!!!

Peter

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