Обсуждение: A Question
I have a question, but I have no idea weahter I should ask it here (If not, I apologize and hope someone could tell me where to post this message or kindly to forward it to right place, thank you; ). My question is "May I translate postgresql to my native language?." For I do not see any message about this in FAQ or mailinglist(Perhaps there's but I didn't see it.) If I can, how or what steps I need to do to help translate mannual of postgresql to the langauge of mine? I appreciate it, sincerely. Arsene ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:57:13PM +0000, jsona laio wrote: > My question is "May I translate postgresql to my native language?." > For I do not see any message about this in FAQ or mailinglist (Perhaps > there's but I didn't see it.) If I can, how or what steps I need to do > to help translate mannual of postgresql to the langauge of mine? You certainly can try. Whether a one-man effort is going to succeed is completely up to you. The french translation is a group effort and AFAIK they are not yet finished (and it appears that it is stalled); in contrast, the german translation is a one-man effort and it was finished in three months. I suggest you take a look at how the french guys are doing it. The website about it (in french) is http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org. A different question is whether you can translate Postgres itself. See http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/nlsinfo/ -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[@]dcc.uchile.cl>) "La conclusión que podemos sacar de esos estudios es que no podemos sacar ninguna conclusión de ellos" (Tanenbaum)
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:57:13PM +0000, jsona laio wrote: > >>My question is "May I translate postgresql to my native language?." >>For I do not see any message about this in FAQ or mailinglist (Perhaps >>there's but I didn't see it.) If I can, how or what steps I need to do >>to help translate mannual of postgresql to the langauge of mine? > > You certainly can try. Whether a one-man effort is going to succeed > is completely up to you. The french translation is a group effort and > AFAIK they are not yet finished (and it appears that it is stalled); > in contrast, the german translation is a one-man effort and it was > finished in three months. > Actually, it isn't stalled at all. We are nearly done for 7.4.0 release. Three files (docguide, ecpg and xindex) remain to be translated (see http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/reservmanuel.html for up to date news). We hope we can have the complete translation at the end of January. We will then update to 7.4.6 release and finally to 8.0 release. There's still a lot of work to do :) For the german translation, don't forget it was done by one man, working three months *full time* on it. And still I don't understand how Peter was able to accomplish this in a such short period. I'm really impressed. > I suggest you take a look at how the french guys are doing it. The > website about it (in french) is http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org. > Or ask directly to me. > A different question is whether you can translate Postgres itself. See > http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/nlsinfo/ > -- Guillaume. <!-- http://abs.traduc.org/ http://lfs.traduc.org/ http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/ -->
Hi, thanks for all your reply. I originally planned to translate the manual of the postgresql [http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/index.html]. Though seemly there's translation already [of my native language], but it's out of dated [and I still get no reply before I post this message]. Therefore, I may go with a li'l step as possible( though I'm not Peter; ) to translate the manual of version 8.0. However, I have no idea wheather to submit translated document because I have no website to hooked on. Is it possible to submit it to postgresql doc team? or what should I do? I appreciate it, sincerely. Arsene --- Guillaume LELARGE <gleu@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:57:13PM +0000, jsona > laio wrote: > > > >>My question is "May I translate postgresql to my > native language?." > >>For I do not see any message about this in FAQ or > mailinglist (Perhaps > >>there's but I didn't see it.) If I can, how or > what steps I need to do > >>to help translate mannual of postgresql to the > langauge of mine? > > > > You certainly can try. Whether a one-man effort > is going to succeed > > is completely up to you. The french translation > is a group effort and > > AFAIK they are not yet finished (and it appears > that it is stalled); > > in contrast, the german translation is a one-man > effort and it was > > finished in three months. > > > > Actually, it isn't stalled at all. We are nearly > done for 7.4.0 release. > Three files (docguide, ecpg and xindex) remain to be > translated (see > http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/reservmanuel.html for > up to date news). > We hope we can have the complete translation at the > end of January. > > We will then update to 7.4.6 release and finally to > 8.0 release. There's > still a lot of work to do :) > > For the german translation, don't forget it was done > by one man, working > three months *full time* on it. And still I don't > understand how Peter > was able to accomplish this in a such short period. > I'm really impressed. > > > I suggest you take a look at how the french guys > are doing it. The > > website about it (in french) is > http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org. > > > > Or ask directly to me. > > > A different question is whether you can translate > Postgres itself. See > > http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/nlsinfo/ > > > > > -- > Guillaume. > <!-- http://abs.traduc.org/ > http://lfs.traduc.org/ > http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/ --> > > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 03:31:39PM +0000, neo anderson wrote: > Hi, thanks for all your reply. > I originally planned to translate the manual of the > postgresql > [http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/index.html]. > Though seemly there's translation already [of my > native language], but it's out of dated [and I still > get no reply before I post this message]. Therefore, I > may go with a li'l step as possible( though I'm not > Peter; ) to translate the manual of version 8.0. > However, I have no idea wheather to submit translated > document because I have no website to hooked on. Is it > possible to submit it to postgresql doc team? or what > should I do? We currently don't have a place to store translated manuals. I think we (or you) could set something up, maybe a project in pgfoundry. Ideally I'd like a centralized system where all translations could be kept and managed. But I don't like the idea of just translating the SGML and storing the translation as plain HTML or SGML, because it's very difficult to keep it up to date; that's the problem you are having with the old translation to your language, for example, as I have with the old spanish translation. For some time already I have wanted to work on a system that would allow you to keep the translation up to date easily, maybe involving XLIFF and a database. So you would consult the system and it would show you what you have to translate to take the manual from 7.4 to 8.0, without having to look at gigantic and unreadable diffs. But I haven't done anything about it yet. -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[@]dcc.uchile.cl>) "Cada quien es cada cual y baja las escaleras como quiere" (JMSerrat)
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > We currently don't have a place to store translated manuals. I think we > (or you) could set something up, maybe a project in pgfoundry. > > Ideally I'd like a centralized system where all translations could be > kept and managed. But I don't like the idea of just translating the > SGML and storing the translation as plain HTML or SGML, because it's > very difficult to keep it up to date; that's the problem you are having > with the old translation to your language, for example, as I have with > the old spanish translation. > > For some time already I have wanted to work on a system that would allow > you to keep the translation up to date easily, maybe involving XLIFF and > a database. So you would consult the system and it would show you what > you have to translate to take the manual from 7.4 to 8.0, without having > to look at gigantic and unreadable diffs. > > But I haven't done anything about it yet. > There's po4a (http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/). It builds po files from sgml files. But I don't know if it can work on big documentations. -- Guillaume. <!-- http://abs.traduc.org/ http://lfs.traduc.org/ http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/ -->
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:15:03AM +0100, Guillaume LELARGE wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >For some time already I have wanted to work on a system that would allow > >you to keep the translation up to date easily, maybe involving XLIFF and > >a database. > > There's po4a (http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/). It builds po files from > sgml files. But I don't know if it can work on big documentations. Personally I hate PO files. So I rejected the xml2po solution some time ago (which Gnome and KDE use). Then again, maybe my problem is not PO files, but rather the tools to handle them. I hate them so passionately that I edit them with vim instead. I'm too lazy to come up with another one, of course. -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[@]dcc.uchile.cl>) "Linux transformó mi computadora, de una `máquina para hacer cosas', en un aparato realmente entretenido, sobre el cual cada día aprendo algo nuevo" (Jaime Salinas)