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The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem Chris Travers <chris@metatrontech.com>
Re: The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem "Stuart Cooper" <stuart.cooper@gmail.com>
Re: The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem Chris Travers <chris@metatrontech.com>
Re: The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem "Stuart Cooper" <stuart.cooper@gmail.com>
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Re: The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem Chris Travers <chris@metatrontech.com>
Re: The rule question before, request official documentation on the problem Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org>
ERROR: XLogFlush request 0/240169BC is not satisfied "Nitin Verma" <nitinverma@azulsystems.com>

> Rules mess with queries. For data copying/archiving kinds of tasks,
> triggers are a better bet, like you suggested in your original post.
>
>> Let me put that a different way:  rules can *only* be used where data
>> integrity is not at stake.  My own thinking is that it might be time to
>> make an official recommendation that they are only safe for views.
>
> NEW and OLD mean different things in a PL/pgSQL context and a Rules  
> context.
> In PL/pgSQL NEW and OLD are values, in Rules (which specifically mess  
> with
> queries) they are expressions.
>
> The fact that the same words mean different things in different contexts
> is a bit unfortunate but not as messy as say using "NEWEXPR" in the
> Rules context would be.


	Since we now have UPDATE/INSERT/DELETE RETURNING, one could imagine the  
rules using these to access the actual rows and not the expressions...

	But there is a perfectly valid argument against that :

	- There already is a mechanism designed specifically for this purpose  
(triggers).
	- It works perfectly.
	- Rules are supposed to rewrite queries to do stuff like views.

	It should be mentioned in the docs, though : someone with an account on  
the PG site should copypaste this mail exchange in the comments field...



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