Re: Some thoughts on NFS

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От Joe Conway
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Ответ на Re: Some thoughts on NFS  (Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>)
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On 2/19/19 10:59 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:46 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com
> <mailto:robertmhaas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 2:03 AM Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com
>     <mailto:thomas.munro@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > How can we achieve that, without writing our
>     > own NFS client?
>
>     <dons crash helmet>
>
>
> You'll need it :)
>
>
>     Instead of writing our own NFS client, how about writing our own
>     network storage protocol?  Imagine a stripped-down postmaster process
>     running on the NFS server that essentially acts as a block server.
>     Through some sort of network chatter, it can exchange blocks with the
>     real postmaster running someplace else.  The mini-protocol would
>     contain commands like READ_BLOCK, WRITE_BLOCK, EXTEND_RELATION,
>     FSYNC_SEGMENT, etc. - basically whatever the relevant operations at
>     the smgr layer are.  And the user would see the remote server as a
>     tablespace mapped to a special smgr.
>
>     As compared with your proposal, this has both advantages and
>     disadvantages.  The main advantage is that we aren't dependent on
>     being able to make NFS behave in any particular way; indeed, this type
>     of solution could be used not only to work around problems with NFS,
>     but also problems with any other network filesystem.  We get to reuse
>     all of the work we've done to try to make local operation reliable;
>     the remote server can run the same code that would be run locally
>     whenever the master tells it to do so.  And you can even imagine
>     trying to push more work to the remote side in some future version of
>     the protocol.  The main disadvantage is that it doesn't help unless
>     you can actually run software on the remote box.  If the only access
>     you have to the remote side is that it exposes an NFS interface, then
>     this sort of thing is useless.  And that's probably a pretty common
>     scenario.
>
>
> In my experience, that covers approximately 100% of the usecase.
>
> The only case I've run into people wanting to use postgres on NFS, the
> NFS server is a big filer from netapp or hitachi or whomever. And you're
> not going to be able to run something like that on top of it.


Exactly my experience too.


> There might be a use-case for the split that you mention, absolutely,
> but it's not going to solve the people-who-want-NFS situation. You'd
> solve more of that by having the middle layer speak "raw device"
> underneath and be able to sit on top of things like iSCSI (yes, really).

Interesting idea but sounds ambitious ;-)

Joe
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