Re: Transparent i18n?

Hi Greg.  Well I'm kind of half way but I think what I am doing could
work out.

I have an iso_languages table, a  languages table for languages used
and a multi_language table
for storing values of my text fields.  I choose my language from
iso_languages. Any table that needs a
multi_language field gets one by id with referential integrity with a
multi_language table id since this is a direct
relationship.  Thanks for the idea of using array BTW. Referential
integrity  could not work with my first model.

I am taking the array text and parsing the result in python to get the
key positions.  This is possible
with a query using string_array function and getting text from any
multi_language field. Then I put
result into a dictionary (an array) and get length and add one to get
new key value that is added
when a new language is added. Using this key an array is added to
existing array to each row of multi_language
table (in lang_code_and_text) field. So the length of the main array in
multi-demensional array grows by one array
for the language for each record in multilanguage table.

I can also seek the english (en) value so that I will be able to use
english as default  text for the new language
and inserting  a new array for that language into the
lang_code_and_text array.  For example, if spanish (es)
added the new key is 3 so insert for each record so have something like
this now:

1, {{'en','the brown cow'},{'fr','la vache brun'},{'es','the brown
cow'}}
2, {{'en','the blue turkey'},{'fr','la dandon bleu'},{'es','the blue
turkey'}}

In my forms, I am using a template to display entry fields for each
language used. The english
will be default for new languages added so there is something in these
fields to start with and it should
update properly based on correct key values. In my languages table, I
am storing the current key positions for
each language used in my app. I have an i18 layer for zope  and based
on language code I will
pass language id so you see right language in interface and data both.

When updating or deleting records, I am will be making a trigger to
remove the array that represents a
translation after update. Then it has to update my language table to
provide updated key values for my
languages. I am working on my first functions and triggers in plpgsql.
This is where I may need help from the
list if I get stuck but so far so good!

Well so far so go but not finished yet. Does anyone have any comments
on scalability.  I don't really see
a problem since there really is not any risk of my needing any more
than 10 - 15  languages or so max out of maybe
300 languages in the world.  I think 15 entries in an array is very
small so can't see any reason for this not to
work well.

>
>> I think my table will be pretty simple;
>> CREATE TABLE multi_language (
>>     id                                              SERIAL,
>>     lang_code_and_text            TEXT[][]
>> );
>>
>> So records would look like:
>>
>> 1, {{'en','the brown cow'},{'fr','la vache brun'}}
>> 2, {{'en','the blue turkey'},{'fr','la dandon bleu'}}
>
> That's a lot more complicated than my model.
>
> Postgres doesn't have any functions for handling arrays like these as
> associative arrays like you might want. And as you've discovered it's
> not so
> easy to ship the whole array to your client where it might be easier
> to work
> with.
>

Yes. This is a bit complicating since if they were there it would be
really
nice to work with arrays.

>
> I just have things like (hypothetically):
>
> CREATE TABLE states (
>   abbrev        text,
>   state_name    text[],
>   state_capitol text[]
> )
>
> And then in my application code data layer I mark all
> "internationalized
> columns" and the object that handles creating the actual select
> automatically
> includes a "[$lang_id]" after every column in that list.
>
> The list of languages supported and the mapping of languages to array
> positions is fixed. I can grow it later but I can't reorganize them.
> This is
> fine for me since pretty much everything has exactly two languages.

That is pretty cool.  The only advantage in what I am doing will have
is that you
will be able to add languages at any time and there will be no huge
load on postgres
as far as I can tell since multilanguage table is a table is only two
fields and one record for each
multi-language field referenced  from my other other tables and calls
to it are
direct by id.  I think this should work but it is a puzzler for sure!

Regards,
David