Re: postgres zeroization of dead tuples ? i.e scrubbing dead tuples with sensitive data.

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Ответ на Re: postgres zeroization of dead tuples ? i.e scrubbing dead tuples with sensitive data.  (Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>)
Ответы Re: postgres zeroization of dead tuples ? i.e scrubbing dead tuples with sensitive data.  (Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>)
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'm still trying to understand why you think someone can access old data but not current/live data.
If you encrypt the live data, wouldn't that solve both concerns?

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 11/18/2015 01:34 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:22:44PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
It's quite unclear to me what threat model such a behavior would add
useful protection against.

If you had some sort of high-security database and deleted some data
from it, it's important for the threat modeller to know whether the
data is gone-as-in-overwritten or gone-as-in-marked-free.  This is the
same reason they want to know whether a deleted file is actually just
unlinked on the disk.

This doesn't mean one thing is better than another; just that, if
you're trying to understand what data could possibly be exfiltrated,
you need to know the state of all of it.

For realistic cases, I expect that deleted data is usually more
important than updated data.  But a threat modeller needs to
understand all these variables anyway.

Alright, I was following you up to this. Seems to me deleted data would represent stale/old data and would be less valuable.

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