Re: Problems with question marks in operators (JDBC, ECPG, ...)

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От Bruno Harbulot
Тема Re: Problems with question marks in operators (JDBC, ECPG, ...)
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Ответ на Re: Problems with question marks in operators (JDBC, ECPG, ...)  ("Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg@turnstep.com>)
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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane <greg@turnstep.com> wrote:

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Bruno Harbulot asked for a devil's advocate by saying:
> My main point was that this is not specific to JDBC. Considering that even
> PostgreSQL's own ECPG is affected, the issue goes probably deeper than it
> seems. I'm just not convinced that passing the problem onto connectors,
> libraries and ultimately application developers is the right thing to do
> here.

Well, one could argue that it *is* their problem, as they should be using
the standard Postgres way for placeholders, which is $1, $2, $3...


As I was saying in another message on this thread a few hours ago, it appears that ? is reserved for placeholders for Dynamic SQL according to the SQL specifications, and that would be exactly what ECPG is using as far as I understand.

 

> Recommending that all drivers implement \? as a semi-standard workaround is
> actually a much more difficult problem than it seems: it requires following
> the development of each project, making the case to each community
> (assuming they're all open source), and reasonable in-depth knowledge of
> their respective implementation, also assuming that \? won't cause further
> problems there (of course, all that is easier if you're already working on
> that particular project).

That's actually where we are right now. And it's not really our job to
make the case to each community - it is the responsibility of each project
to solve the problem, presumably because of pressure from their users.

... except if those communities made the assumption that ? was indeed reserved for placeholders according to the SQL specifications. (I might have misinterpreted where that part of the spec is applicable, since I can't claim I've absorbed the entire set of documents.)


> Even according to what you're saying this issue has required a first
> workaround back in 2008, and another one earlier this year, probably due to
> concerns that weren't spotted when implementing the first workaround (this
> also presumably requires users to run a fairly recent version of this
> connector now).

True enough regarding the two changes. But the system worked well, in that
someone had a problem, raised a bug, and it got fixed. I'm not sure I see
the point about requiring recent versions of the connector - that's true
for lots of bug fixes and features. This one at least is fairly optional
with many existing workarounds (e.g. use $1, quote things in a different way).

This model of development also requires the users to be able to upgrade their connectors to a recent release, which may also affect other dependencies (depending on the complexity of the overall system).


Best wishes,

Bruno.

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