Re: fixing CREATEROLE

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От David G. Johnston
Тема Re: fixing CREATEROLE
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Msg-id CAKFQuwa7gFPsre4hHBv16Mq6EWoMu5wBLj0os6izs4UmCw3eUw@mail.gmail.com
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Ответ на Re: fixing CREATEROLE  (Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>)
Ответы Re: fixing CREATEROLE  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 2:18 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 3:59 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't yet formed a complete thought here but is there any reason we cannot convert the permission-like attributes to predefined roles?
>
> pg_login
> pg_replication
> pg_bypassrls
> pg_createdb
> pg_createrole
> pg_haspassword (password and valid until)
> pg_hasconnlimit
>
> Presently, attributes are never inherited, but having that be controlled via the INHERIT property of the grant seems desirable.

I think that something like this might be possible, but I'm not
convinced that it's a good idea.
 
Either way, I'm not quite sure what the benefit of converting these
things to predefined roles is.

Specifically, you gain inheritance/set and "admin option" for free.  So whether I have an ability and whether I can grant it are separate concerns.

 
A password is a fine example of that. You should never
inherit someone else's password. Whether we've chosen the right set of
things to treat as per-role properties rather than predefined roles is
very much debatable, though, as are a number of other aspects of the
role system.

You aren't inheriting a specific password, you are inheriting the right to have a password stored in the database, with an optional expiration date.

For instance, I'm pretty well unconvinced that merging users and
groups into a uniformed thing called roles was a good idea.

I agree.  No one was interested in the, admittedly complex, psql queries I wrote the other month but I decided to undo some of that decision there.

David J.

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