Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL)

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Merlin Moncure
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Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL)
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[PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Florian Pflug <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) "David E. Wheeler" <david@justatheory.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Florian Pflug <fgp@phlo.org>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Boszormenyi Zoltan <zb@cybertec.at>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@ymail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Andres Freund <andres@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Dean Rasheed <dean.a.rasheed@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) "David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndQuadrant.fr>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Darren Duncan <darren@darrenduncan.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Darren Duncan <darren@darrenduncan.net>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) Brendan Jurd <direvus@gmail.com>
Re: [PATCH] Exorcise "zero-dimensional" arrays (Was: Re: Should array_length() Return NULL) "David E. Wheeler" <david@justatheory.com>
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Brendan Jurd  wrote:
> On 13 June 2013 04:26, Merlin Moncure  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Tom Lane  wrote:
>>> Josh Berkus  writes:
>>>> On 06/12/2013 11:01 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>>>>> I'm going to be disappointed if all we can get out of this is
>>>>> a cardinality() function, and nothing is done about the empty-array
>>>>> semantics.
>
> I would be disappointed too, but on the other hand, CARDINALITY is
> required by the spec and anything would be better than nothing.

certainly.

>> But, couldn't that be solved by deprecating that function and
>> providing a more sensible alternatively named version?
>
> And what would you name that function?  array_dims2?  I can't think of
> a name that makes the difference in behaviour apparent.  Can you
> imagine the documentation for that?

I don't know the answer to that, but I think it's hard to argue that
deprecating and documenting a few functions is a heavier burden on
your users than having to sift through older arcane code before
upgrading to the latest version of the database.  We're not the only
ones stuck with lousy old functions (C finally ditched gets() in the
2011 standard).  I also happen to think the current array_api function
names are not particularly great (especially array_upper/array_lower)
so I won't shed too many tears.

merlin


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