Re: [HACKERS] proposal: session server side variables

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От Pavel Stehule
Тема Re: [HACKERS] proposal: session server side variables
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Msg-id CAFj8pRCphEY+b7RqwMcS0vykxyw+bB0k2MavXSimZ1uwNGPJ8Q@mail.gmail.com
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Ответ на Re: [HACKERS] proposal: session server side variables  (Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>)
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2016-12-28 4:40 GMT+01:00 Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>:
Fabien, I don't really see the point of "persistent variables". What
benefit do they add over relations?

You can add a simple function to fetch a tuple if you want it not to
look like a subquery. Do it with heap access in C if you like, save
the (trivial) planning costs.


I do see value to two different things discussed here:

* Pavel's proposal for persistent-declaration, non-persistent-value
session variables with access control. These will be very beneficial
with RLS, where we need very fast lookups. Their purpose is that you
can set up expensive state with SECURITY DEFINER functions, C-level
functions, etc, then test it very cheaply later from RLS and from
other functions. Their advantage over relations is very cheap, fast
access.

  I can maybe see global temporary relations being an alternative to
these, if we optimise by using a tuplestore to back them and only
switch to a relfilenode if the relation grows. The pg_catalog entries
would be persistent so you could GRANT or REVOKE access to them, etc.
Especially if we optimised the 1-row case this could work. It'd be
less like what Oracle does, but might let us re-use more functionality
and have fewer overlapping features. Pavel?

This is hard question - I have different expectation from variables and from tables. Sure, there can be a optimization for one row global temporary tables, but it fails on first update. And with this optimization we should not to use current heap access functionality - or we increase a complexity of currently lot of complex code. From success global temp tables implementation I am expecting unbloating catalogue and all relation related functionality - indexes, column statistics, usage statistics, MVCC. I can't to imagine a one row optimization there. More it has limit - it is pretty hard implement there expandable types.

I see very useful to define variable as memory based NOT ACID, not MVCC storage (always). Tables are ACI(D) MVCC. The minimalism is great, but have to has practical limit - we have variables inside/outside plpgsql - although we can use temporary tables.

There are secondary question if we can introduce some better interface for writing getter/setter function, where current relations can be used.



 

 


* Fabien's earlier mention of transient session / query variables,
a-la MySQL or MS-SQL. They're obviously handy for more general purpose
programming, but our strict division between SQL and plpgsql makes
them a bit less useful than in MS-SQL with T-SQL. I think it's a very
separate topic to this and should be dealt with in a separate thread
if/when someone wants to work on them.

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 Craig Ringer                   http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
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