Re: pgBackRest for a 50 TB database

Greetings,

Happy to hear you successfully performed pgBackRest for a 50TB DB. Out of curiosity I would like to know your infrastructure settings. 

1. The  connectivity protocoal and bandwidth you used for your backend storage ?  Is it iSCSI, FC FCoE or GbE ?     what's the exact reason for the 26 Hours it took in the best case ? What factors may reduce 26 Hours to much less time say 10 Hour or so for a 50 TB DB to  backup destination ??

    What to  fine tune or deploy  for a better performance?

2. It has been said that  you are running the DB on a 2 slot 18 core processor = 36 Physical cores ..  Is it a dedicated Server H/W entirely dedicated for a 50 TB database alone ?

    Why I asked, nowadays mostly we may run the DB servers on VMs in virtualized environments..  So I would like to know  all 36 Physical cores and associated RAM are all utilized by your 50 TB Database server ? or any vacant CPU cores/Free RAM on those server machines?

3.  What kind of connectivity/bandwidth between DB server and Storage backend you established ( I Want to know the server NIC card details, Connectivity Channel protocol/bandwidth and Connecting Switch spec from DB Server to Storage backend( NAS in this case right ?)

Could you share the recommendations / details as in your case , Becoz I'm also in need to perform such a pgBackRest trial from a  production DB  to  a  suitable Storage Device( Mostly Unified storage  DELL Unity)

Any inputs are most welcome.

Thanks,

Krishane

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:14 PM Abhishek Bhola <abhishek.bhola@japannext.co.jp> wrote:

Hello,

As said above, I tested pgBackRest on my bigger DB and here are the results.

Server on which this is running has the following config:

Architecture:          x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:            Little Endian
CPU(s):                36
On-line CPU(s) list:   0-35
Thread(s) per core:    1
Core(s) per socket:    18
Socket(s):             2
NUMA node(s):          2

Data folder size: 52 TB (has some duplicate files since it is restored from tapes)

Backup is being written on to DELL Storage, mounted on the server.

pgbackrest.conf with following options enabled

repo1-block=y
repo1-bundle=y
start-fast=y

1. Using process-max: 30, Time taken: ~26 hours

full backup: 20230926-092555F
            timestamp start/stop: 2023-09-26 09:25:55+09 / 2023-09-27 11:07:18+09
            wal start/stop: 000000010001AC0E00000044 / 000000010001AC0E00000044
            database size: 38248.9GB, database backup size: 38248.9GB
            repo1: backup size: 6222.0GB

2. Using process-max: 10, Time taken: ~37 hours
 full backup: 20230930-190002F
            timestamp start/stop: 2023-09-30 19:00:02+09 / 2023-10-02 08:01:20+09
            wal start/stop: 000000010001AC0E0000004E / 000000010001AC0E0000004E
            database size: 38248.9GB, database backup size: 38248.9GB
            repo1: backup size: 6222.0GB

Hope it helps someone to use these numbers as some reference.

Thanks

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:30 AM Abhishek Bhola <abhishek.bhola@japannext.co.jp> wrote:

Hi Stephen

Thank you for the prompt response. 

Hearing it from you makes me more confident about rolling it to PROD.

I will have a discussion with the network team once about and hear what they have to say and make an estimate accordingly.

If you happen to know anyone using it with that size and having published their numbers, that would be great, but if not, I will post them once I set it up.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Abhishek

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:22 AM Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:

Greetings,

* Abhishek Bhola (abhishek.bhola@japannext.co.jp) wrote:
> I am trying to use pgBackRest for all my Postgres servers. I have tested it
> on a sample database and it works fine. But my concern is for some of the
> bigger DB clusters, the largest one being 50TB and growing by about
> 200-300GB a day.

Glad pgBackRest has been working well for you.

> I plan to mount NAS storage on my DB server to store my backup. The server
> with 50 TB data is using DELL Storage underneath to store this data and has
> 36 18-core CPUs.

How much free CPU capacity does the system have?

> As I understand, pgBackRest recommends having 2 full backups and then
> having incremental or differential backups as per requirement. Does anyone
> have any reference numbers on how much time a backup for such a DB would
> usually take, just for reference. If I take a full backup every Sunday and
> then incremental backups for the rest of the week, I believe the
> incremental backups should not be a problem, but the full backup every
> Sunday might not finish in time.

pgBackRest scales extremely well- what's going to matter here is how
much you can give it in terms of resources.  The primary bottle necks
will be CPU time for compression, network bandwidth for the NAS, and
storage bandwidth of the NAS and the DB filesystems.  Typically, CPU
time dominates due to the compression, though if you're able to give
pgBackRest a lot of those CPUs then you might get to the point of
running out of network bandwidth or storage bandwidth on your NAS.
We've certainly seen folks pushing upwards of 3TB/hr, so a 50TB backup
should be able to complete in less than a day.  Strongly recommend
taking an incremental backup more-or-less immediately after the full
backup to minimize the amount of WAL you'd have to replay on a restore.
Also strongly recommend actually doing serious restore tests of this
system to make sure you understand the process, have an idea how long
it'll take to restore the actual files with pgBackRest and then how long
PG will take to come up and replay the WAL generated during the backup.

> I think converting a diff/incr backup to a full backup has been discussed
> here <https://github.com/pgbackrest/pgbackrest/issues/644>, but not yet
> implemented. If there is a workaround, please let me know. Or if someone is
> simply using pgBackRest for a bigger DB (comparable to 50TB), please share
> your experience with the exact numbers and config/schedule of backups. I
> know the easiest way would be to use it myself and find out, but since it
> is a PROD DB, I wanted to get some ideas before starting.

No, we haven't implemented that yet.  It's starting to come up higher in
our list of things we want to work on though.  There are risks to doing
such conversions though that have to be considered- it creates long
dependencies on things all working because if there's a PG or pgBackRest
bug or some way that corruption slipped in then that ends up getting
propagated down.  If you feel really confident that your restore testing
is good (full restore w/ PG replaying WAL, running amcheck across the
entire restored system, then pg_dump'ing everything and restoring it
into a new PG cluster to re-validate all constraints, doing additional
app-level review and testing...) then that can certainly help with
mitigation of the risks mentioned above.

Overall though, yes, people certainly use pgBackRest for 50TB+ PG
clusters.

Thanks,

Stephen

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