Password issue revisited

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От Michael Schmidt
Тема Password issue revisited
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Msg-id BAY114-DAV1235968436BFC871B4AEB7A3A00@phx.gbl
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Ответы Re: Password issue revisited  (Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>)
Re: Password issue revisited  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Re: Password issue revisited  (Shane Ambler <pgsql@007Marketing.com>)
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Fellow PostgreSQL fans,
Last year there was a pretty lengthy discussion (Tom Lane offered a lot of insights) on this list about deprecating the PGPASSWORD environmental variable.  I understand the security issues here very well.  However, up through version 8.1, it has been easy to use pg_dump and pg_restore from other applications (PHP, Java, etc.) by capturing the Password prompt on stderr and sending the password on stdin.  No more.  Now, this interaction is done on low-level I/O data streams.  Also, it appears from the documentation that the PGPASSFILE environmental variable has been deprecated for pg_dump and pg_restore.  It appears the only way these utilities can run from a script or other application is to ensure that the user specified in the command-line has a .pgpass file.
 
I would like to ask that we return to outputting the Password prompt on stderr and accepting password input on stdin.  Here are the reasons.
 
1.  I don't see that this would pose a major security risk.  In fact, in applications where the user enters the password for each session, the password need never be saved to disk, which seems a definite security advantage.  Some folks have noted that .pgpass is a plain text file, hence it could be vulnerable.
2.  PostgreSQL has a tradition of respecting generally accepted standards.  The use of high-level input/output is a standard for many programming languages. 
3.  PostgreSQL has a tradition of cross-platform compatibility.  Use of high-level input/output allows cross-platform applications (e.g., Java) to interact with PostgreSQL in a straightforward and standardized fashion.
4.  Low level input/output is considerably more difficult and less reliable for other applications to access and work with.
 
Thanks for considering this matter.
 
Michael Schmidt
 
 

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