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Greg Stark
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Re: ask for review of MERGE
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Re: ask for review of MERGE (Martijn van Oosterhout)
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ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Marko Tiikkaja <marko.tiikkaja@cs.helsinki.fi>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Marko Tiikkaja <marko.tiikkaja@cs.helsinki.fi>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@svana.org>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Simon Riggs <simon@2ndQuadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Boxuan Zhai <bxzhai2010@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Josh Kupershmidt <schmiddy@gmail.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: ask for review of MERGE Thom Brown <thom@linux.com>
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Martijn van Oosterhout
 wrote:
> Can we please not get MERGE hung up on trying to make it atomic. The
> standard requires no such thing and there are plenty of uses of MERGE
> that don't involve high concurrency updates of the same row by
> different processes. If we want an atomic UPSERT, make that a seperate
> command, MERGE without atomicity is useful enough already.

Really? I don't really see any point in a non-atomic MERGE. Nor in a
non-atomic UPDATE or INSERT or any other operation. The A in ACID is
as important as any other letter.

For that matter if you don't care about atomicity then this is a
problem already solvable easily solvable in the application. Why
bother providing a special command for it. The whole reason to want a
special command is precisely because the database can implement it
atomically more easily and more efficiently than any application
implementation.

Moreover having a case which is non-atomic and allows inconsistent
results or errors in the face of concurrent updates is a foot-gun.
Someone will come along and try to use it and it will appear to work
in their application but introduce nasty hidden race conditions.

-- 
greg

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