> On 4 Oct 2023, at 21:30, Lincoln Swaine-Moore <lswainemoore@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > What I do in such cases is to add an extra column with the UTC timestamp to serve as a linear scale to the local
timestamps.That also helps with ordering buckets in reports and such during DST changes (especially the ones where an
hourrepeats).
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> > For hours and quarter hours I found it to be fairly convenient to base a view on a join between a date calendar and
an(quarter of an) hour per UTC day table, but materialising that with some indexes may perform better (at the cost of
diskspace). I do materialise that currently, but our database server doesn’t have a lot of memory so I’m often not
hittingthe cache and performance suffers a bit (infrastructure is about to change for the better though).
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> That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure I fully understand. Assuming you're aggregating data: what do you group
by?For instance, at an hourly resolution, if you group by both the UTC timestamp and the local one, you might end up,
say,dividing an hour-long bucket in two for time zones with half-hour-based offsets, no?
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> Thanks for the detailed writeup! Definitely helpful to learn more about what people are using in production to handle
thissort of thing.
Frankly, I haven’t had to deal with half-hour-based offsets since I got this idea. I’m using it with
whole-hour-offsets,where it doesn’t affect bin boundaries.
I suppose you could enrich your data in a similar fashion by adding a (virtual) column with the (client) time zone
offset,so you could group by local timestamp + offset. That’s not going to match index expressions though, I fear…
For sorting, UTC timestamps would probably still be a useful addition, but they’re simple to add by either converting
backfrom the local timestamps or by taking the min and max of the UTC-based column on the above grouping. Both
solutionsrequire that offset, obviously.
Now of course there are only 2 hours a year where this happens. Our data scientists chose to ignore the problem for
simplicity’ssake and be slightly off with their numbers on those dates.
Regards,
Alban Hertroys
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