Re: contrib vs. gborg/pgfoundry for replication solutions

Kris,

Thank you.  I objected to having the jdbc code moved out of the base 
product cvs tree for some of the reasons being discussed in this thread:  how are people going to find the jdbc driver,
howwill they get 
 
documentation for it, etc.

I think the core problem is that some people view postgres as just the 
database server proper.  But most people (IMHO) view postgres (or any 
database) as a set of things (core server, admin utils, drivers, etc).

I think the solution lies in improving www.postgresql.org.  At the end 
of the day it doesn't matter where source code lives, what matters is 
can people find what they are expecting.  Given we know what people are 
looking for, that should be front and center on the web site and the ftp 
sites.

--Barry

Kris Jurka wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We have the current issue of people not knowing that projects like
>>>pgadmin exist or where to find the jdbc drivers.
>>
>>Now, out of all of the PostgreSQL users, what % are using JDBC?  What %
>>are using ODBC?  What percentage of those using JDBC are also using ODBC?
>>What % of those using PgAdmin are also using ODBC?  For that matter, how
>>many ppl using JDBC only want to download the .jar file itself, and not
>>the source code?  % of Binary-Only PgAdmin users?  ODBC driver?
>>
> 
> 
> See the poll run on postgresql.org:
> http://www.postgresql.org/survey.php?View=1&SurveyID=24
> 
> It took several minutes to load for me so I'll include the results here:
> Currently the results of our "What PostgreSQL API do you use the most?"
> survey are:
> 
> Answer        Responses    Percentage
> libpq        1752        13.116%
> libpq++        526        3.938%
> libpqxx        176        1.318%
> psqlODBC    2495        18.678%
> JDBC        7607        56.947%
> Npgsql        294        2.201%
> ECPG        154        1.153%
> pgtcl        354        2.650%
> Total number of responses: 13358
> 
> You can certainly fault the choices (leaving perl, python, and php off the 
> list), but 7500 java users is something that can't be ignored.
> 
> The point is that any legitimate database will provide JDBC and ODBC
> drivers.  When new users can't immediately find them from the postgresql
> home page they get frustrated and badmouth postgresql.  Telling them to go
> to gborg isn't really helpful.  gborg is currently full of dead projects,
> projects that have never had any code committed, and projects that are of
> questionable utility.  gborg is supposed to be the dumping ground for 
> these ala sourceforge, so it's not the dead projects I object to, so much 
> as the fact that serious and critical projects are grouped together with 
> them.
> 
> We need better packaging/promotion of secondary projects and the main
> project can't be ignorant of this fact and cop out with "we just provide  
> the server."
> 
> Kris Jurka
> 
> 
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